Re: Disney Terms of Use

[andreh]

Dec 4, 2008, 12:23pm, cjdenecia wrote:Dec 4, 2008, 12:14pm, andreh wrote:Steve is correct that cross-posting is generally considered poor forum etiquette...not just on this forum. Perhaps the OP (original poster) was not aware of that, however, so we'll let him off with a light slap on the wrist... @ cj: Many of us use the "100 most recent posts" button in the Info Center at the bottom of the forum home page, so we see messages from all forums (and all cross-posts several times).AndréI understand that, but from what I've seen a lot of people do have what they feel are "urgent" matters and might just be a bit more important (to them) than whether or not a few others have to tolerate a triple legitimate post .... but whatever, it's ya'lls game ... the fact is, I, personally don't necessarily go into a lot of the other threads on a frequent basis and thus far, it seems I'm the only one to bother to actually look at the contract they sent kitz?what do you get out of that item #4 andre?Anyone is welcome to violate forum etiquette at any time if they so choose...in this case, Steve & I were merely helping kitz to make an informed decision.As for contributions to the OP's question, perhaps giving forum dwellers at least an hour (or a day, more realistically) to respond is reasonable? André

[benjamine]

Dec 4, 2008, 11:58am, sgs4u wrote:Dec 4, 2008, 11:54am, kitz wrote:I have a question about this document.http://disney.go.com/corporate/legal/terms.htmlIf I submit material to these guys. Do they own it? Is that what this is saying? I'm looking at section 4?KitzSorry I posted all over but I really need some input here.You really only need to post this once. Especially because it's be easier to read the responses you get, if they're all on the same thread. Posting the same thing in 3 threads, makes people feel LESS like responding, and that's not what you want at all is it? I never fail to be amused by the amount of argument about the argument rather than the point of argument,on this forum.If you don't understand my argument then argue it out between yourselves.

[sgs4u]

Dec 4, 2008, 4:25pm, heinsite wrote:...but man, i am ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED WITH SOME OF MY FRIENDS WHO CHOSE TO LECTURE HIM INSTEAD OF ANSWERING HIM! i just don't get it, and i believe HE DESERVES AN APOLOGYAND YES INDEED STEVE AND ANDREH---THIS is one of the rare times that i am with my capital letters--I AM YELLING! SHAME on some of you.warren heintaxi member, friend and dude who tries like hell to be honest.Warren, relax. Your honesty, could use a little fine-tuning. hehe You know I'm the first guy to apologize when I'm outta line. Kitz posted the same, very LEGIT question in 3 places, which might make his question less likely to get the attention it needs. It's now getting lots of attention. Is there really a problem here worth shouting about? And we should feel shame for what we wrote?... and you want to yell at us about it? Hmmm... Thank you for your opinion. Shame is not what I feel right now, nor can you force me to feel anything, so get over it, or not. I'm Ok with either.

[sgs4u]

Dec 4, 2008, 4:58pm, crs7string wrote:...I think your comment reflects an abundance mentality.PS I know you feel differently about your kids than your songs.Thanks Chuck, You're QUITE RIGHTDec 4, 2008, 4:42pm, cjdenecia wrote:steve ....I let that fly the first time ... but reiterating it forces me to say that now I completely know where you stand from a musical perspective. and tho we are in different worlds with what we do and where we stand - and I follow your line of reasoning ... I hope I never ever look at my music like product only. I pray I stay as close to my music as you are to your business of music. I wouldn't care if I had 1000 children - and I can look at my kids flaws objectively for certain, but I would never be able to just say what you just said about what I'd think would be your kids. but obviously, there's less heart in your music than dollar signs.just an observation and a prayer said out loud ... no offense - you're obviously very at ease with your stance so you should take none.I'm not going to do battle with you Cj. But I'm going to explain a bit about me, instead of you going to conclusions that might not do either of us, or everyone else, justice. Given what you believe you know about me thus far, you might be surprised to know how often I've been on your side of this issue. However, telling me my heart isn't in music, as much as dollar signs, is your very interesting, but also flawed observation. My heart goes into every moment of every day. That includes songs. I have gotten past thinking my songs are my children, and yes, it took a while. Hanging out with Taxi is a wonderful way to become objective about these kinds of things. Some people never believe that objectivity about one's art is important or necessary. Some people never need to know or learn it. I did, and it made me a better man. . You may not think you and I have much in common. Ask Matto or Vikki or Casey about my perspective when I first joined Taxi. I was absolutely convinced that Major Labels were ALL evil, and that they were the primary cause of their own demise. I believed all contract language to be suspicious, and worded to confuse and cheat songwriters. In 2 years, my purpose for joining Taxi and skillsets have been sharply updated. I still mostly write songs, with vocals that I'd love to hear other artists sing. I don't worry too much about the whole Film & TV thing, because my dream, like Warren's has always been about hearing stuff I'm involved in, on the radio. My wife's a pro broadcaster, as you probably know by now. I've only ever made money, by people paying to make music. You are welcome to disagree with me, call me names, try to tell people that I don't have a clue, or poke holes in my theories or advice. It's 5 o'clock quitting time at my house. See ya.

[andreh]

Dec 4, 2008, 4:25pm, heinsite wrote:AND YES INDEED STEVE AND ANDREH---THIS is one of the rare times that i am with my capital letters--I AM YELLING!Calm down heinsite. A little lesson in forum ettiquette is nothing to get all worked up about, and I would hardly consider my or Steve's approach to it "lecturing."If you've just had a bad day and now are ashamed and wish to apologize to us, I'll gladly accept. André

[andreh]

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/1 ... ag=Wendycj = Wendy, Steve = Cartman, the rest of us here = everyone else in the clip.André

[cjdenecia]

Dec 4, 2008, 5:10pm, sgs4u wrote:I'm not going to do battle with you Cj. But I'm going to explain a bit about me, instead of you going to conclusions that might not do either of us, or everyone else, justice. A. I don't consider this a battle, if you do, that's your gig.B. I haven't jumped to any conclusions, I've read what I've read and interpreted. C. I have no preconceptions that anyone else really cares one way or the other what you and I "battle" about.D. I guess my answer to you the other day met your approval, being as you are now addressing me personally ... cj 1 steve nill Quote:Given what you believe you know about me thus far, you might be surprised to know how often I've been on your side of this issue. However, telling me my heart isn't in music, as much as dollar signs, is your very interesting, but also flawed observation.ok. my opinion is flawed. yet, I know what I read and thus far your insistence that I read it incorrectly is only you going "beep beep beep" in full reverse unless you can show that your statement about your music being darts was only a poorly thought out lyric ... Quote:My heart goes into every moment of every day. That includes songs.no doubt. but what motivates your heart might just be the question.Quote:I have gotten past thinking my songs are my children, and yes, it took a while. Hanging out with Taxi is a wonderful way to become objective about these kinds of things. Some people never believe that objectivity about one's art is important or necessary. Some people never need to know or learn it. I did, and it made me a better man. so then, yes we are similar, in some ways. I too believe in objectivity when looking at one's art or for that matter life ... but to me, there's a relatively large difference between objectivity and apathy. and frankly, if taxi is something that teaches apathy, well ... I won't go into a slamfest on that - cus I don't necessarily currently believe it's true. tho you don't do them large favors by making their case for them in that fashion IMO. there might just be someone reading and mumbling "steve, stop helping us ..." Quote:You may not think you and I have much in common. Ask Matto or Vikki or Casey about my perspective when I first joined Taxi.yeah ok. that's a bit like saying to your second wife, I did have sex with my first wife baby, but I never came ... that was yesterday, this is today.Quote:I was absolutely convinced that Major Labels were ALL evil, and that they were the primary cause of their own demise.here's the dirty little secret I carry around ... I think about half of what the majors put out is ok, maybe even good. but hell, if I had half that much power at my disposal, I truly believe my record would be far more impressive. they have been their own worst enemy but maybe this isn't the time nor place for that discussion. I'm sure, given time and circumstance, it will come up again and my arguments regarding it, tho certainly not original nor exclusive will be fundementally sound.Quote:I believed all contract language to be suspicious, and worded to confuse and cheat songwriters.it IS suspicious. it's written by attorneys. nuff said ... I've known plenty. hired some. as people, they're like you and me, mostly ... as professionals, they're the scum of the earth. and they don't want us to understand anything they say on paper, they want us to rely on them to tell us in plainspeak what they can't seem to put in plainspeak on paper. yeah, that's something I trust ... Quote:You are welcome to disagree with me, call me names, try to tell people that I don't have a clue, or poke holes in my theories or advice. we're not going there again. I did NOT call you names and I did not tell anyone that you don't have a clue. I didn not poke any holes in your theories and I did not say you gave bad advice.those are all lies. or should I say misleading statements? me being all 'kin politically correct and shite.what I said was that I thought you coming down on kitz for posting in 3 forums wasn't exactly helpful and later on that I hope and pray I don't look at my music as simply product like you appeared to at first glance of YOUR statements.so try playing your word games with a real noob. I'm not him.Quote:It's 5 o'clock quitting time at my house. See ya. and that's it. good for you. a 9 to 5iver. me, tho I handle the other aspects of my life just fine, I live music 24/7.yeah, we will see ya ... as you've probably noticed, the talk of me being a troll and just bugging off were a little off base.I'm here. living just fine within the rules .... and giving ... you want more of me?(edited in case any other 2 year olds are reading ....)

[cjdenecia]

Dec 4, 2008, 5:26pm, andreh wrote:http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/1 ... ag=Wendycj = Wendy, Steve = Cartman, the rest of us here = everyone else in the clip.André heh .. yeah ok .. I'll buy that ... except I don't think I'll be happy kissing steve ... maybe ... remember that buggaring thing I mentioned? I might wanna explore his inner self.

[andreh]

Dec 4, 2008, 5:47pm, cjdenecia wrote:I'm here. living just fine within the rules .......except this one:Quote:4. You agree...that you will not use these boards to post any material which is...vulgar, obscene...Got a two-year-old walking around who's just learning to spell, and It'd be nice for her to start with "ball" or "cars" before she picks up on some of the 4-letter-words you like to throw around.Thanks! André

[andreh]

Dec 4, 2008, 6:24pm, cjdenecia wrote:hey, I feel your pain and I'll really try to keep it in mind ...Thanks man! You're the best. André