Thinking outside the box.

[cosmicdolphin]

ig audience.

This is just not the case w rap/hip hop.

The numbers show the facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP88FUL7d_8

[melodymessiah]

don't confuse retro/vintage with dated

[cassmcentee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP88FUL7d_8

Great find Mark!
I had to look up "Chanson"

[charlie2]

Zaychi said...
,"oh come on... there's a rebel element to this. Kids like the music their parents hate. You know that parents hated Elvis, right? And when those kids grew up, and got kids of their own, they hated punk? And when THOSE kids grew up, they hated house? The older generation will always say their kids favorite music is "awful" and "not really music"... and that is part of the attraction. Until they become mainstream themselves, and something new has to come up for THEIR kids."

That is a very shallow, one dimensional analysis of things. My mom loved elvis...and cat stevens. Also the moody blues and others.
Dont get caught up in cliches. The real world is much more complex and interesting.

Also i'm sure that music timeline analysis was not done scientifically.

[Zaychi]

Zaychi said...
,"oh come on... there's a rebel element to this. Kids like the music their parents hate. You know that parents hated Elvis, right? And when those kids grew up, and got kids of their own, they hated punk? And when THOSE kids grew up, they hated house? The older generation will always say their kids favorite music is "awful" and "not really music"... and that is part of the attraction. Until they become mainstream themselves, and something new has to come up for THEIR kids."

That is a very shallow, one dimensional analysis of things. My mom loved elvis...and cat stevens. Also the moody blues and others.
Dont get caught up in cliches. The real world is much more complex and interesting.

Also i'm sure that music timeline analysis was not done scientifically.

Well if you were a teenager in the fifties (for your mother to hate Elvis), you'd be 80 years old now... if you are, hat off, but I'm guessing you're not. Cat Stevens and Moody Blues are ear-pleasers; if you were a teenager then, I bet she didn't like Iggy Pop and Led Zeppelin. I wasn't saying ALL popular music falls in the "rebel" category, just that SOME does. My parents liked Joan Armatrading and Fleetwood Mac (well... not really, they preferred Mahler and Schumann; but it was acceptable), while the Police was a sliding slope and Joy Division and Birthday Party were a no-go ("not music").

I don't like rap/hiphop any more than you do (with some notable exceptions btw!), but I'd never dare to call it "not music". We're just old, and it doesn't touch our ears like it does the younger people who grew up with it and recognize the qualities. I live in a crowded area in a big city, with young people having parties going on around me every weekend; and all they play is hip-hop, rap and EDM with just the occasional classic pop/rock in between. So your observation "no one around me likes it" seems to be (as others have shown above in popularity stats) biased by the people you know.

[cosmicdolphin]

We're just old, and it doesn't touch our ears like it does the younger people who grew up with it and recognize the qualities.

Correct, my 19yr Son old loves Rap & Hip Hop - I love New Order and Joy Division - My Dad likes ELO & Dire Straits...it's just an age thing

[AlanHall]

I'm pretty sure that we're all familiar with the idea that our musical preferences are concreted by the music we are exposed to during the formative ages of 10..24 (ish!). Just thought I'd bring up our experiential familiarity/preference as a factor in each individual's concept of "aesthetic". It's definitely a fluid thing as it changes across age groups.

[charlie2]

Im older and work w young people. It's very easy to get young people to like classic rock. In fact...many are embarrassed by rap/hip hop.

Other young people listen to rap/hip hop bc its the only thing they have.! It was shoved down their generations throats.Thats why they listen to it.

Can't you see how the media created their world,?

The music industry changed around the same time rap took over. There were no more rock hits bc of the industry change and rap just filled in the void. Hip hop grew out of that

Yes. I know aesthetics change somewhat with each generation. Since man has not yet come to measure aesthetics then we have to go with majority preferences.

I'm convinced most people prefer the classic sound

I never said rap,/hip hop is a non music.
It's an underdeveloped music...lacking sophisticated melodies and harmonies.

A music created by people not really knowing how to compose in the traditional and accepted way. I think they were thinking that they were being progressive in some way by breaking with tradition. They made a mistake

Also influenced greatly by technology.

Technology = at times a good tool but the illusion of progress

[cosmicdolphin]

Other young people listen to rap/hip hop bc its the only thing they have.! It was shoved down their generations throats.Thats why they listen to it.

You mean the first generation that had access to all recorded music ever on demand in the palm of their hands ? Sure.

[cassmcentee]

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