Lots of good pointers on this thread. A few more thoughts:Quote:A decent mic, a decent preamp, and a decent compressor will usually sound great direct, no EQ. Try it!..and don't forget room treatment! Especially if you're in a bedroom studio, you'll need to address accoustic issues. Not just foam (or better yet, pressed fiberboard like OC703) for keeping mids and highs from bouncing off the walls, but something for the lows as well, such as wood panel traps or several layers of 703 in the corners.Some great-sounding tracking spaces don't have much acoustic treatment, but these are usually large rooms whose ambiance doesn't sound boxy or ringy like smaller rooms can.If you're forced to mix in the same room you're tracking in, the room's anomalies wreak havoc twice; once when they're recorded, and again when they're heard on playback. Theoretically you'd mix out these anomalies, but it doesn't usually work that way for a number of reasons...so treat your room! Quote:There's no such thing as "preferred EQ settings" for anything. Unless you're modeling something like an AM radio or the curve of a particular speaker, EQ is always in context. Asking where to set the EQ for vox is a "how long is a piece of string" question.I personally have no religious objection to using EQ even with a decent mic, preamp, and compressor. I agree with Nick on both counts. You can't decide you want more of this or that until you know how much of this or that is there in the first place.As to whether ot not to process your vox sound...how does it sound in the mix? If it sound good, it is good. If it sounds bad, then fix it!Quote:...and the first I really got into my head was the part about giving each voice or instrument it's own space...This is crucial. It's why a part might sound thin and bland all by itself, but fit nicely in a mix that's filling out other frequencies. Or, if you know you want a big, full vocal sound, plan to pull some conflicting frequencies out of less important parts.Quote:Quote:Hello, Does anyone have any preferred EQ settings for vocals? Definitely!!!! My overwhelming favorite vocal EQ preset is NONE!!EQ is there if I messed up something while tracking, but that's kind of like using a band aid to fix a broken arm.I completely agree that we should be getting the best sound possible going in. However, that can be hard to achieve if 1. your ears aren't developed enough to know what to listen for or 2. your tracking space imparts undesirable characteristics that may need to be corrected in the mix.I my experience, most semi-pro recordings will require some sort of EQ to get the vocal sitting right in the mix.Quote:Flat is good. That's the preferred and generally known standard. I break that rule daily, but that's the general idea and a great starting point.If your room is fairly flat, I agree. Many semi-pro or hobbyist rooms that have been treated for mid and high-end absorption will suffer from low-mid and low frequency anomalies, and these can certainly affect vocal frequencies. In one room a "flat" take might have a 10 or even 20dB's greater content in a certain frequency range.However, I agree with the concept that you shouldn't just assume you'll be EQ'ing your vocal take (at least until you get to know your room and/or how the voice you're recording generally sits in a mix with your setup). Quote:Sometimes just killing OK tracks will make all the room you need. And believe me... the loss of the that OK track for the gain of a well understood vocal will pay off 10X.Absolutely. And if you just can't live without the track that's conflicting with your vocal or other important part, use a parametric EQ to discover which frequencies are clouding the parts together, and pull them out of one or the other part. Solo'ing is valuable, but hearing parts in context is priceless. Quote:Once you've done your best without EQ, that's a good time to do a little tweaking, and I do mean a little. And if you can, make it subtractive, or in other words, don't boost. Cut frequencies and then raise the level if you need to compensate.I agree; most frequency problems can be solved by subtractive EQ'ing. Don't be afraid to experiment with boosting to understand its effect, but this method is usually better suited to tone shaping rather than corrective EQ'ing. Context is everything, but here are some possible ways to approach vocal EQ'ing in a mix:- Watch out for too much mud ~200-300Hz (even lower with male vocals), especially if you have big electric guitars taking up space there, but don't pull out so much that you lose your "warmth." Hi bass guitar can conflict ~100-200hz as well.- You generally don't want to hear much vox below 80-100Hz, so use a low-pass filter here.- Definition and air come at higher frequencies ~10-16k, but too much top end can be fatiguing, especially on sibilant notes. You can pull out offensive frequencies with a de-esser, and then boost those frquencies to maintain air on non-sibilient sounds (ala Kelly Clarkson).- Watch for a nasal or honky sound ~1k-2k, but you'll lose body if you pull too much out here.- Watch for harshness ~3-4k, but don't suck out too much presence. Careful of conflict with snare frequencies here as well.If you can't bring yourself to change the tone of two conflicting instruments, you can try a ducking compressor to reduce the sound of one when the other is playing (i.e. - duck the guitars with the vox, duck the bass or with the kick, duck the drum overheads with the snare).There's a whole world out there to experiment with. Have fun!Andre
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