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Re: WANTED: Male lead singers - versatile

Post by jaywilliams » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:57 pm

Not everyone is as capable of speaking up for themselves, online or in person, as you may think.

Sure, keep doing your thing, you were going to any way.

But, after giving this a lot of thought, I suspect you are driving more people away from the forum than you are actually helping. Or perhaps it's equal numbers.

If we were all ready to advance in this business, there would not be a market need for Taxi.

This is Taxi's forum and sandbox, so they're running it the way they have decided to run it.

I'm just not sure that trash talking the newbies is the best way to create and maintain a supportive community.

But hey, best of luck in your career, you've found a path that works for you, that's great.

I'm willing to entertain the possibility that the path that works for you, may not work for everyone.

I understand there's a delicate balance to maintain in running an open forum, no one likes heavy handed censorship, but I for one would prefer forum rules that promote more civil discourse than what I've seen from Mark over the last two years. Taxi disagrees, and it's their business.

Fortunately it's a big wide world full of other forums and other paths to success with music, through sync licensing or otherwise.

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Re: WANTED: Male lead singers - versatile

Post by lesmac » Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:45 pm

This is a thing in country music songwriting or it used to be. @1:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX5oHPD ... gs=pl%2Cwn

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Re: WANTED: Male lead singers - versatile

Post by cosmicdolphin » Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:54 am

lesmac wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:45 pm
This is a thing in country music songwriting or it used to be. @1:20
1:45 : " I've had singers say to me ' I wouldn't say that, or I wouldn't sing it like this . Can I sing it slightly differently ' now for me I always say yes because I'm not an artist, I'm not a singer I think of any note. So if I have a real singer who can make a song sound more singable then an artist is hopefully going to want to sing it."

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Re: WANTED: Male lead singers - versatile

Post by lesmac » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:02 am

I know there are always two sides. She did preface the remarks you quoted with "because I'm English".
Just saying... :lol:

Edit: Two things can be true.

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Re: WANTED: Male lead singers - versatile

Post by CTWF » Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:39 am

jaywilliams wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:57 pm
... trash talking the newbies ...
Hey Jay

I don’t think this is a fair description of Mark’s feedback posts, if that is what you wanted to imply here. Yes, his posts can be very frank and a little abrasive, but what I read is usually well-reasoned advice that can be acted on.

Let’s put it this way: Has anyone yet come out after one of the franker posts of Mark and given good reasons that his remarks were baseless?

What he wrote on this thread is a different case because it was not invited and possibly(?) is more opinion. But I took your remark as a more general assessment of Mark’s posts.

Sorry, Peter, that the thread got derailed. Hope you find what you are looking for via the new thread!

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Re: WANTED: Male lead singers - versatile

Post by cosmicdolphin » Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:57 am

lesmac wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:02 am
She did preface the remarks you quoted with "because I'm English".
I'm English !

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Re: WANTED: Male lead singers - versatile

Post by cosmicdolphin » Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:20 am

jaywilliams wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:57 pm
I suspect you are driving more people away from the forum than you are actually helping. Or perhaps it's equal numbers.
Lol...which is it then..net negative or net neutral... And you have all the forum traffic stats to back this up ?? Yes ?? No??

Lets deal in facts about my contribution to the forum shall we:-

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If all it takes is a post or two from me to swear someone off music licensing then perhaps they were never cut out for it in the first place - The industry is full or rejection at every turn. I might be straight talking and direct but at least I'm always honest with people.

For the record I've never 'trash talked' any members. Every piece of feedback I've ever posted has been my honest opinion based on my experience and where possible with some sort of actionable follow up. Many people have thanked me for cutting through the bull***t and getting down to brass tacks. Some have become good friends outside of the forums. Some of them I've spoken with over the phone or met in person. I've also doled out plenty of praise where merited and congratulated many people on their forwards and placements and I'd do the same for you should you ever get there.

Your own experience of me, or the forum, the industry or anything else in life is subjective. Not everyone sees things the same way or wants to be treated the same way, we all have our own personalities , upbringings and different cultures we grew up in. It's normal to not agree with everyone.

If you don't like it then there is a block button on the forum user controls for this very reason. I suggest you use it if you feel that strongly.

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Re: WANTED: Male lead singers - versatile

Post by Robertj64 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:02 am

cosmicdolphin wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:20 am
jaywilliams wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:57 pm
I suspect you are driving more people away from the forum than you are actually helping. Or perhaps it's equal numbers.
Lol...which is it then..net negative or net neutral... And you have all the forum traffic stats to back this up ?? Yes ?? No??

Lets deal in facts about my contribution to the forum shall we:-

Joined:Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:46 pm
Last active:Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:55 am
Total posts:1965 | Show your posts
(0.51 posts per day / 0.42% of all posts)
Most active forum:Peer To Peer (685 Posts / 34.86% of your posts)
Most active topic: RIP Cakewalk / Sonar (23 Posts / 1.17% of your posts)

If all it takes is a post or two from me to swear someone off music licensing then perhaps they were never cut out for it in the first place - The industry is full or rejection at every turn. I might be straight talking and direct but at least I'm always honest with people.

For the record I've never 'trash talked' any members. Every piece of feedback I've ever posted has been my honest opinion based on my experience and where possible with some sort of actionable follow up. Many people have thanked me for cutting through the bull***t and getting down to brass tacks. Some have become good friends outside of the forums. Some of them I've spoken with over the phone or met in person. I've also doled out plenty of praise where merited and congratulated many people on their forwards and placements and I'd do the same for you should you ever get there.

Your own experience of me, or the forum, the industry or anything else in life is subjective. Not everyone sees things the same way or wants to be treated the same way, we all have our own personalities , upbringings and different cultures we grew up in. It's normal to not agree with everyone.

If you don't like it then there is a block button on the forum user controls for this very reason. I suggest you use it if you feel that strongly.

Hey Mark,

Yes we can all agree that the outside world is harsh, unforgiving. We can be honest about things where the tracks are concerned. I got feedback from Cass who told me I was singing "pitchy". I could have taken that personally but I didn't partially because he knew that that was sensitive. He put it in a nice way and he was 100% right. We can be harsh here and say things like "Your melody is forgettable" just like the outside world but then there would be no difference between here and there.

By the way, who is that in the Jedi picture. Is that you? Every time I see it, I think Jeff Daniels made a Star Wars movie.

Cheers!

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Re: WANTED: Male lead singers - versatile

Post by cosmicdolphin » Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:53 am

Robertj64 wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:02 am
By the way, who is that in the Jedi picture. Is that you? Every time I see it, I think Jeff Daniels made a Star Wars movie.
Yes that's me , I have this lockdown beard now too so I look even more Jedi like.

Maybe I should use the Sith version I made instead ? Be more in keeping with the feedback huh ?

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Re: WANTED: Male lead singers - versatile

Post by Robertj64 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:31 am

cosmicdolphin wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:53 am
Robertj64 wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:02 am
By the way, who is that in the Jedi picture. Is that you? Every time I see it, I think Jeff Daniels made a Star Wars movie.
Yes that's me , I have this lockdown beard now too so I look even more Jedi like.

Maybe I should use the Sith version I made instead ? Be more in keeping with the feedback huh ?

Image
HAHA....if anything the SITH would be the coolest thing ever. I would delight in getting the most savage feedback ever....maybe even do something intentional to deserve it....LMAO.

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