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Re: Why a Music Library Might REGRET They Signed You

Post by cosmicdolphin » Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:04 pm

superblonde wrote:
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The underlying problem is that the music library owner does not have proper submission/resubmission methods.
They do. All of them have a proper submission method. What you are descibing is a system to weed out when writers don't adhere to the method laid out.
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For example, a sample rate problem can easily be detected as part of the submission process (i.e. before/during upload) so that the gig worker is immediately notified to correct the problem before the track is accepted,
Yes I submit to several libraries that have this. You can't submit the wrong sample rate, bit depth, or tracks that are too quiet/too loud and on cutdowns you can't submit an incorrect length i.e. 60's & 30's have to be just that
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and this adds no overhead cost to the music library for quality-control.
That's where youre wrong, it does because these platforms have to be developed at the expense of the Library and I'm fairly sure they ain't cheap or they would just all have them.
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If the Employer wants more experienced & knowledgeable composers then they should hire permanent, salaried employees as composers, rather than random gig workers; that is the labor solution to ensuring the output of workers meets an employer's work standards.
It's also incumbent on the composer to understand this stuff - Or they can just use someone like me that knows the ropes already ( but is still a gig worker .....who would you rather drive your Uber ? An experienced person that knows their way around all the main routes and also understand how the vehicle works on a technical level....or someone that just passed their driving test and has never ventured outside their neighbourhood ? )

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Re: Why a Music Library Might REGRET They Signed You

Post by Casey H » Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:18 pm

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The related point to my question above is that the technical problems described by the music library owner are related to the inadequacies of the employer and the employer's systems, not a fault of the non-salaried gig worker (the composer). The music library owner complains about technical problems with tracks being sent in and the "cost" for quality-control of those tracks. The underlying problem is that the music library owner does not have proper submission/resubmission methods. For example, a sample rate problem can easily be detected as part of the submission process (i.e. before/during upload) so that the gig worker is immediately notified to correct the problem before the track is accepted, and this adds no overhead cost to the music library for quality-control. It is not fair to blame the Employer's lack of operational controls on the non-salaried gig workers. The employer (every music library owner) has a depth of specific knowledge & expertise which their gig workers will not have, so gig workers will rarely be able to meet the Employer's needs without training. It is the music library owner's fault, not the composers', if technical problems such as "sample rate mismatch" are allowed to enter their submission process, and it is the Employer's responsibility to handle excess time & money needed for quality-control (the financial pressure will force the Employer to upgrade their systems to reduce this cost and streamline the composer's submission process). These aspects of submitting music should be automated and provide immediate feedback to the composer, with no human intervention required; it is the responsibility of the Employer to create such systems for the gig workers. If the Employer wants more experienced & knowledgeable composers then they should hire permanent, salaried employees as composers, rather than random gig workers; that is the labor solution to ensuring the output of workers meets an employer's work standards.
I'm going to march into my boss's office right now and tell him that my not listening to his directions is purely a failure on his part. :lol:

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Re: Why a Music Library Might REGRET They Signed You

Post by boinkeee2000 » Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:47 pm

I work with a few excl publishers (and also a few rf) who hava a program in place to automate such tasks,and frankly those apps look expensive. but most dont, and the majority of PMA labels i work with will only send you a brief w/ submission guidelines, metadata sheet, and a sched A with the understanding that you will adhere to all deliverables without any explanation or guidance. some wont even take you in if you dont know the fundamentals like contract terms, industry lingo, or have no credits to your bio...

this is a competitive biz and sometimes you only get one shot

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Re: Why a Music Library Might REGRET They Signed You

Post by Paulie » Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:09 pm

superblonde wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:42 am
It is not fair to blame the Employer's lack of operational controls on the non-salaried gig workers. ... It is the music library owner's fault, not the composers', if technical problems such as "sample rate mismatch" are allowed to enter their submission process, and it is the Employer's responsibility to handle excess time & money needed for quality-control (the financial pressure will force the Employer to upgrade their systems to reduce this cost and streamline the composer's submission process).
Frankly this expectation is silly. Blaming others for one's inability to follow instructions is asinine and childish, wrought of a spoiled generation that grew up on playgrounds where everything was covered in foam, parents helicopter in to save their children from being exposed to things like red ink on homework or the horrible embarrassment of being graded on tests, and where a trophy is expected just for showing up.

We are all grownups. Do the freaking work needed. Follow the instructions and consider all of the people involved in the business transaction. Read the &^%$% brief is the BEGINNING of the process. READ THE #$&^# COMPOSER SUBMISSION DOCUMENTATION is equally important. If you are fortunate enough to EARN the chance to work with someone that can get your music placed, you owe them the decency of being able to be a professional. Are there libraries with crappy submission portals? Yes. Are there libraries that don't even have portals and rely on file transfer tools? Yes. Does it cost money to develop smart tools that can check the work of those too lazy to properly follow instructions? Yes. If you want to succeed in this business you need to play by the rules and be flexible.

Those that know me personally know I can be abrasive (like this post). But those that work with me have repeatedly complimented me for my professionalism. I've been told by more than one library owner, unsolicited, that they are shocked at how whiny and difficult some composers can be. Having been around them for about four decades, I understand. Creatives are their own worst enemy at times. Things like being on time, following instructions, and being professional in general, for some reason or another seem to be ignored. I'm fine with it, because business morons that can't handle the basics make ME look great to my clients by comparison.

So, don't blame the tools. Do the work, or find some other career that panders to the needy and incapable.

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Re: Why a Music Library Might REGRET They Signed You

Post by Casey H » Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:23 am

Telefunkin wrote:
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...and don't get a dog.
It is the responsibility of the dog to get himself fed. Anything else is just an inadequacy on the part of the pet themself. :lol:

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Re: Why a Music Library Might REGRET They Signed You

Post by superblonde » Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:04 am

boinkeee2000 wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:47 pm
this is a competitive biz and sometimes
Paulie wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:09 pm
If you are fortunate enough to EARN the chance to work with
these two replies demonstrate again the root of the problem.

gig workers have no negotiation power in this commodified business, and yet composers continue to give away more and more power in order to scrape for work while taking on more and more responsibility of delivering the work. meanwhile the musicians are giving up 50% of their property in perpetuity across the known and unknown universe to the publisher, who continues to reduce the amount of work they do, and push more of the work on the musicians. and yet members here continually display this attitude to give up position in order to land any placement at any chance, rather than push back at all. Where has ML ever shown a response to a library owner where ML tells them, "How about you get your systems in place before complaining about my members, because your systems are amateur-level junk and my members deserve more" ? how about the library owner do their job? the example given in the episode is the publisher complaining they have to fix metadata of BPM's in tracks to round it off because the delivered BPM is not a whole number, "oh this takes so much time", and members accept this as a legitimate complaint? In truth the publisher is playing amateur-hour and rounding off BPM numbers in metadata, when and where necessary, should take no time at all since it should be an automatic process in their file acceptance, or any number of other file-processing tasks, including renaming, retitling, description padding, etc etc. These are literally tasks that PUBLISHERS are supposed to be tasked with (not the composer).



and Paulie, the attitude of your reply is completely out of line and definitely unprofessional. (especially in conjunction with bragging about being abrasive). it hardly deserves a response at all except that you demonstrate the failing so obviously.
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Re: Why a Music Library Might REGRET They Signed You

Post by Casey H » Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:18 pm

Actually, I think Paulie's tough love was exactly appropriate as a response to your comment. You're on the forum, you went to the rally, you watch Taxi TV, people here have bent over backwards to offer you advice to help you succeed, but you're way more intent on "fighting the system" than succeeding. Why are you even a Taxi member, if you still are?

I could refuse to show up at work every day, 9-5 instead of working at home and whatever hours I want, because the corporate world sucks that way... I'd be homeless, but I *could* do that. :shock:

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Re: Why a Music Library Might REGRET They Signed You

Post by boinkeee2000 » Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:26 pm

superblonde wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:04 am
boinkeee2000 wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:47 pm
this is a competitive biz and sometimes
Paulie wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:09 pm
If you are fortunate enough to EARN the chance to work with
these two replies demonstrate again the root of the problem.

gig workers have no negotiation power in this commodified business, and yet composers continue to give away more and more power in order to scrape for work while taking on more and more responsibility of delivering the work. meanwhile the musicians are giving up 50% of their property in perpetuity across the known and unknown universe to the publisher, who continues to reduce the amount of work they do, and push more of the work on the musicians. and yet members here continually display this attitude to give up position in order to land any placement at any chance, rather than push back at all. Where has ML ever shown a response to a library owner where ML tells them, "How about you get your systems in place before complaining about my members, because your systems are amateur-level junk and my members deserve more" ? how about the library owner do their job? the example given in the episode is the publisher complaining they have to fix metadata of BPM's in tracks to round it off because the delivered BPM is not a whole number, "oh this takes so much time", and members accept this as a legitimate complaint? In truth the publisher is playing amateur-hour and rounding off BPM numbers in metadata, when and where necessary, should take no time at all since it should be an automatic process in their file acceptance, or any number of other file-processing tasks, including renaming, retitling, description padding, etc etc. These are literally tasks that PUBLISHERS are supposed to be tasked with (not the composer).



and Paulie, the attitude of your reply is completely out of line and definitely unprofessional. (especially in conjunction with bragging about being abrasive). it hardly deserves a response at all except that you demonstrate the failing so obviously.
I dont know what to say man.....you seem to be obsessed in fighting the wrong battles....

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Re: Why a Music Library Might REGRET They Signed You

Post by Paulie » Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:36 pm

superblonde wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:04 am
and Paulie, the attitude of your reply is completely out of line and definitely unprofessional. (especially in conjunction with bragging about being abrasive). it hardly deserves a response at all except that you demonstrate the failing so obviously.
OK, challenge accepted. Please point out what you consider to be "out of line." Trust me, my response was extremely measured and patient. Based on your many posts in the past it really seems like you do not have the attitude or patience needed to be successful in this business. Speaking directly is something that we need more of today. Start by looking in the mirror.

And look, I totally get it. I AGREE with you that too many musicians are willing to give up more rights in order for their shot at attention, fame, whatever. I agree that giving up writers share in perpetuity is not cool. But we all have choices and can refuse those deals. Sadly, the whole "Fiverr" concept has been destroying the arts for many years, and our own human vanity makes it incredibly easy for libraries to find composers willing to give up the milk for free, per se. However, none of this has anything to do with being a professional and FOLLOWING CLIENT INSTRUCTIONS when submitting music to them. If someone is unwilling to do that very basic thing, that person needs to find another way of making money.
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Re: Why a Music Library Might REGRET They Signed You

Post by Casey H » Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:57 pm

Paulie wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:36 pm
it really seems like you do not have the attitude or patience needed to be successful in this business.
Or any other. The music business is a BUSINESS like most others in the world.

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