Another ambiguous return.

wings · Post by **wings** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:18 am

Aug 27, 2009, 10:14am, crs7string wrote:"You can make money in this business, but you have to blow past the Dream Stoppers. Clearly this is one of those instances."TAXI screeners are only dreamstoppers if you let them stop your dream.The music business is not black and white, but all shades of gray. Returns are part of this game, forwards are part of this game. I don't fly airplanes but I do know you can't just have take offs, landings are also part of the game.I also know that this lister does read the Forum postings. Being easy to work with and open to criticism are criteria that are mandatory elements to have a relationship with his business.Grumbling about a return or two doesn't strike me as being open to criticism and being easy to work with.I've had other library owners express this same view. They don't want to spend time arguing with a composer to make changes and/or convince a composer that a track doesn't work, they just go on to the next composer.You missed the mark on this one, so what, there will be other listings and other forwards.AND, there will be other perceived stupid returns. I view the returns as part of the tuition of developing a healthy "non-attachment" from my work. In the big picture of success in music production, one return (or one forward) doesn't mean a damn thing.Chuck I missed the mark, because the mark wasn't what they said it would be.I'm done with this thread. - Its just cheesy.

hummingbird · Post by **hummingbird** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:59 am

Here's how I look at it, wings. On this very forum we have quite a few people who already work for this library. We know who they are. We know who recently got signed to the library as well, because people have posted about it in the deal section. If I were to submit to this party, I would listen extremely carefully to the work of those who are already signed. As a member of this forum, then, you and I have 'inside intel'. We can listen to the kind of composition that this library is interested in. We can even PM those folks that are already working for this library, and ask them to listen to our stuff before we submit it. And they would. They would maybe even go to our music page and suggest what to submit. In addition, I could listen to the music on the actual show that this library works for, and make sure I only submit things that sound similar to that. I would consider that to be "my homework" before submitting to this listing.

Casey H · Post by **Casey H** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:20 am

Hey JohnTaxi's not perfect, listings aren't perfect, and screeners aren't either. It's not that kind of world in any aspect of life. I don't think this listing was anywhere near as unclear as you do- so we'll agree to disagree there.Some things to consider:1) It's very possible that the actual listing party wrote that description and screened the material himself. 2) Part of our responsibility as serious music professionals is to read requests (from any source) and do our homework before submitting. I started typing this before Vikki's last post but she was right on the mark. The listing mentioned quite a few things which was all you needed to do some research. You have the benefit of this forum where samples of what HAS been forwarded are provided all the time.A classic example is what Vikki said with the "short and to the point" thing. That came from learning the industry by asking questions, submitting and getting rejected, making changes, etc. She didn't expect taxi to spell out every detail as to what makes a good film/TV track. She put in tons of hours to learn it.3) A better approach other than venting about the LISTING being the problem would be (once you got past the venting stage) would be to ask successful composers here what they would do to make those tracks work better for film/TV and listings like that one.It's up to you. You can conclude that taxi and their listings are bad or you can use the resources of successful people here (mazz, matto, crs7string, dave walton and others) who give freely of their time and maybe make money with music through taxi and other sources.You are talented and have very good tracks. So the good news is any adjustments needed for listings like this one may not be that difficult-- you are light years ahead of many. Wishing you the best, Casey

mazz · Post by **mazz** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:46 am

Aug 27, 2009, 10:59am, hummingbird wrote:Here's how I look at it, wings. On this very forum we have quite a few people who already work for this library. We know who they are. We know who recently got signed to the library as well, because people have posted about it in the deal section. If I were to submit to this party, I would listen extremely carefully to the work of those who are already signed. As a member of this forum, then, you and I have 'inside intel'. We can listen to the kind of composition that this library is interested in. We can even PM those folks that are already working for this library, and ask them to listen to our stuff before we submit it. And they would. They would maybe even go to our music page and suggest what to submit. In addition, I could listen to the music on the actual show that this library works for, and make sure I only submit things that sound similar to that. I would consider that to be "my homework" before submitting to this listing. Vikki, You took the words right out of my mouth.John, you will get more forwards and more returns and that's the way it is. But in this case, it would have been beneficial to do some research on the library and even the show. It's no secret around here that a number of us are already writing the type of music that this guy is looking for and as Vikki said, we could have helped out prior to you submitting.I get a lot of returns and sometimes they don't make sense to me, but it's the name of the game.This this week a bunch of us were writing demos, pretty much around the clock, for this very guy, to submit for a new show, and we had to write based on some examples that were sent over to us. I had a few of my demos rejected and only one came along with a critique, and here it is: "too busy". The other two that have been rejected (so far) didn't come with any feedback whatsoever. Some direction was given also, see what you make of this: "more like bed tracks". I only mention this because that seems to be the way it is in the music business. Yes, it can be cheesy at times, and all of this talk probably doesn't make it any easier to swallow these returns, but I urge you to treat this as a professional and don't make too big a stink about it here. This is open to the whole internet. I think you are a very good composer and so I encourage you to take it in stride, listen to the type of music this company is looking for and try to write some of it. The learning will serve you well in your future endeavors.Respectfully,Mazz

wings · Post by **wings** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:47 am

Thanks Casey, The purpose of this thread was to fulfill this request:"Liked your review? Hated it? Let us know...."I let them know.

wings · Post by **wings** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:12 pm

Thanks Mazz. Will do.~wings~

Casey H · Post by **Casey H** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:37 pm

Hi again JohnJust a note to say that I spent more time this evening listening to your tracks and I really enjoyed them. Clearly they are well composed and produced, regardless of whether or not they fit this listing. "We Are Ants" is my favorite-- a beaut!I don't have expertise in the fine details of these types of tracks (the production & engineering side) but I expect you will find success with tracks like these. Best, Casey

markjsmith · Post by **markjsmith** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:57 pm

I am sorry to disagree about the research. How are we to know which library? How are we to know who is signed to this UNSAID library? I'd love to do research, but who are they? I'm kinda sick of the cryptic listings! It really pisses me off to get feedback that has nothing to do with what the listing is asking for such as this! I sent in a bunch of tunes to this one (cause it was just a big "?" to me). You would think they would at least write "ONE" sentence describing what they are looking for music wise! I actually got atune forwarded for this, and it was the one I thought least likely to get through!How hard is it to write "ONE" sentence describing what they are looking for! I'm sorry but ALL GENRES does not cut it! I think they should pick the screener in advance, and let them describe what he or she is wanting to hear in detail for the listing! There would be no confusion a lot of us would be less pissed off (well at least I'd be happy)!That said; I LOVE Taxi, it is an awesome motivator!

wings · Post by **wings** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:41 pm

Aug 27, 2009, 5:37pm, hurowitz wrote:Hi again JohnJust a note to say that I spent more time this evening listening to your tracks and I really enjoyed them. Clearly they are well composed and produced, regardless of whether or not they fit this listing. "We Are Ants" is my favorite-- a beaut!I don't have expertise in the fine details of these types of tracks (the production & engineering side) but I expect you will find success with tracks like these. Best, CaseyThanks Casey! And thanks for your time with regard to this thread. It's appreciated.~wings~

wings · Post by **wings** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:42 pm

Aug 28, 2009, 12:57am, markjsmith wrote:That said; I LOVE Taxi, it is an awesome motivator! Absolutely.~wings~

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