Contemporary Enough?

[cosmicdolphin]

You add a certain "kick em while they are down" statements.

Like ?

[Robertj64]

You add a certain "kick em while they are down" statements.

Like ?

This one was a dandy:

"Forgettable melody aside the production sounds like it was recorded via the inside a tin can with a piece of string to the DAW. What happened ??"

There were more of these types of comments but since I have been on here, I have to admit. You have mellowed a bit. Kudos!

[cosmicdolphin]

You add a certain "kick em while they are down" statements.

Like ?

This one was a dandy:

"Forgettable melody aside the production sounds like it was recorded via the inside a tin can with a piece of string to the DAW. What happened ??"

There were more of these types of comments but since I have been on here, I have to admit. You have mellowed a bit. Kudos!

It was a genuine question ( that went unanswered ) but that is an extreme example of someone who has been a forum member for 15 years...15 YEARS !!!! And this is the level of their work ? I just hope he hasn't been paying for membership all that time.

To put it in context the whole reply is below. Questions were asked, actionable advice was offered. I see no issue with it. I could have said a lot worse than tin can. He even replied thanking me for the feedback.

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Sorry but it's the most returnable thing I've heard on the forum in a long time.

Forgettable melody aside the production sounds like it was recorded via the inside a tin can with a piece of string to the DAW. What happened ?? The mix and production are far below the standard needed,

Also the piano playing is poor , I think the singer is trying her best but there's nothing to work with. The whole thing sounds very amatuerish, that's the best I can say about it.

My advice. If you can't play piano properly either get more lessons , or get EZkeys , or don't write piano songs. Also think about getting some lessons on mixing and production locally if you can , I get the feeling you may not even have the proper equipment ( decent monitors or headphones , a proper DAW , some decent sound libraries ? ) so who knows, that may be part of the issue.

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Hi Mark, "the most returnable thing I've heard on the forum in a long time". I apologies for that.

For the piano, mix and production I teams up with someone to bring a new sound to my song. your advice on that are well received and appreciated.

I must mention this too, your constructive criticism are very helpful every time and I thank you for your participation in this process.
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[Robertj64]

Like ?

This one was a dandy:

"Forgettable melody aside the production sounds like it was recorded via the inside a tin can with a piece of string to the DAW. What happened ??"

There were more of these types of comments but since I have been on here, I have to admit. You have mellowed a bit. Kudos!

It was a genuine question ( that went unanswered ) but that is an extreme example of someone who has been a forum member for 15 years...15 YEARS !!!! I just hope he hasn't been paying for membership all that time.

To put it in context the whole reply is below. Questions were asked, actionable advice was offered. I see no issue with it. I could have said a lot worse than tin can. He even replied thanking me for the feedback.

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Sorry but it's the most returnable thing I've heard on the forum in a long time.

Forgettable melody aside the production sounds like it was recorded via the inside a tin can with a piece of string to the DAW. What happened ?? The mix and production are far below the standard needed,

Also the piano playing is poor , I think the singer is trying her best but there's nothing to work with. The whole thing sounds very amatuerish, that's the best I can say about it.

My advice. If you can't play piano properly either get more lessons , or get EZkeys , or don't write piano songs. Also think about getting some lessons on mixing and production locally if you can , I get the feeling you may not even have the proper equipment ( decent monitors or headphones , a proper DAW , some decent sound libraries ? ) so who knows, that may be part of the issue.

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Hi Mark, "the most returnable thing I've heard on the forum in a long time". I apologies for that.

For the piano, mix and production I teams up with someone to bring a new sound to my song. your advice on that are well received and appreciated.

I must mention this too, your constructive criticism are very helpful every time and I thank you for your participation in this process.
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He was so thankful for the feedback that the post has been taken down. Is he active on here? I have not seen him. Regardless, you made my case for me. "The most returnable thing in the forum in a long time." That comment was mean and it served no purpose other than to put the person in their place and make you a demagogue here. "Forgettable melody". If you cannot see the difference between "Your melody here needs work" and "Forgettable melody", then I am afraid I am wasting my time. It just doesn't have to be that mean-spirited for it to be effective.

I know. You think you don't need to sugar-coat things. I get it. Let it all hang out and let those amateurs have it. If one of those amateurs had the capability to develop something advanced but didn't because of the invective comments, then that is on you.

[cosmicdolphin]

He was so thankful for the feedback that the post has been taken down. Is he active on here? I have not seen him.

It's right here because-of-christmas-day-for-a-taxi-chr ... 45707.html

As far as I can see nothing but a bunch of people trying get a guy to see the truth. Even if it's painful. 97 posts in 15 years is hardly prolific

"The most returnable thing in the forum in a long time." That comment was mean

Mean ?? You think that's mean ..F### me Robert we have VERY different definitions of the word mean...that was the nice version. But it was the truth..I mean you have heard it right ?

If you cannot see the difference between "Your melody here needs work" and "Forgettable melody", then I am afraid I am wasting my time.

Yes..I see the difference..one is skirting around the real the issue. The other is mine.

"The most returnable thing in the forum in a long time." That comment was mean

Mean ?? You think that's mean ..F### me Robert we have VERY different definitions of the word mean...that was the nice version. But it was the truth..I mean you have heard it right ?

I know. You think you don't need to sugar-coat things. I get it. Let it all hang out and let those amateurs have it.

That is the sugar coated version ., Seriously. I am also an amateur like most Taxi members

If one of those amateurs had the capability to develop something advanced but didn't because of the invective comments, then that is on you.

Incorrect. That's on them. And if that's all it takes to put them off they were never cut out for it to start with.

[Robertj64]

He was so thankful for the feedback that the post has been taken down. Is he active on here? I have not seen him.

It's right here because-of-christmas-day-for-a-taxi-chr ... 45707.html

As far as I can see nothing but a bunch of people trying get a guy to see the truth. Even if it's painful. 97 posts in 15 years is hardly prolific

"The most returnable thing in the forum in a long time." That comment was mean

Mean ?? You think that's mean ..F### me Robert we have VERY different definitions of the word mean...that was the nice version. But it was the truth..I mean you have heard it right ?

If you cannot see the difference between "Your melody here needs work" and "Forgettable melody", then I am afraid I am wasting my time.

Yes..I see the difference..one is skirting around the real the issue. The other is mine.

"The most returnable thing in the forum in a long time." That comment was mean

Mean ?? You think that's mean ..F### me Robert we have VERY different definitions of the word mean...that was the nice version. But it was the truth..I mean you have heard it right ?

I know. You think you don't need to sugar-coat things. I get it. Let it all hang out and let those amateurs have it.

That is the sugar coated version ., Seriously. I am also an amateur like most Taxi members

If one of those amateurs had the capability to develop something advanced but didn't because of the invective comments, then that is on you.

Incorrect. That's on them. And if that's all it takes to put them off they were never cut out for it to start with.

You by definition are not an amateur in that you have received payments from the libraries you submit to. That makes you a professional. The rest of the people on here who have not received any money are considered amateurs. I will just respond to your last comment.

"Incorrect. That's on them. And if that's all it takes to put them off they were never cut out for it to start with."

So I will say this, Mark. We are musicians and music is considered an art. We are not in the bloody Marine Corps. We do not need drill seargents here to
"TELL IT LIKE IT IS" with derogatory comments. We should be gentlemanly on here. We are not a brute lot ....we contribute to culture. As with all things in culture, we should be dignified.

Newbies and pros alike here should be treated with respect along with the music they post here. Whether you think it is a piece of crap or not, respect should be the rule of the day. You would fit right in the movie ..Whiplash...lol. We are musicians. Why do you have to introduce the laws of the barbaric jungle on here. It is not necessary to get your points across. Anyhow, I will leave the last word to you. If you are the forum's Can Do No Wrong Expert then I will happily assume its conscience.

Cheers and I bid you a fond goodnight!

[cosmicdolphin]

We are not a brute lot ....we contribute to culture.

Oh yeah...we write the soundtrack to such cultured shows as Jersey Shore et al. So the drunken tattooed idiots can vomit over each other to our bangin' hip hop beatz

Newbies and pros alike here should be treated with respect along with the music they post here. Whether you think it is a piece of crap or not, respect should be the rule of the day.

Respect in my book is not feeding someone a load of " well meaning lies " but you'll find the further up the food chain you get the more this straight talk is the norm. The people who make it just aren't put off by anything anyone says or does. See the end of Whiplash.

If you are the forum's Can Do No Wrong Expert then I will happily assume its conscience

I've done plenty wrong and expertise is relative.

Cheers and I bid you a fond goodnight!

Here is your bedtime reading. Old but...still relevant

http://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthreads ... ber=688675

[eeoo]

"Oh yeah...we write the soundtrack to such cultured shows as Jersey Shore et al. So the drunken tattooed idiots can vomit over each other to our bangin' hip hop beatz"

Ouch, I resemble that remark!

[cosmicdolphin]

Ouch, I resemble that remark!

Me too

[AlanHall]

Here is your bedtime reading. Old but...still relevant

http://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthreads ... ber=688675

Had to read the linked discussion all the way through. I was transfixed by the passion on both (all?) sides of the issue.