Help with songwriting!

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Help with songwriting!

Post by katr09 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:30 pm

I want to write songs. I am not good at it. I have tried several times on my own, but I think I need help. I need someone to give me ideas and talk me through the whole process. Hit me up if you’d like to volunteer?

Thank you :)

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Post by andygabrys » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:28 am

great books to read and get you started:

http://robinfrederick.com

Her stuff is amazingly complete and helpful. The first two shortcuts books are owned by just about everyone I know through the forum here.

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Re: Help with songwriting!

Post by CTWF » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:47 pm

katr09 wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:30 pm
I want to write songs. I am not good at it. I have tried several times on my own, but I think I need help. I need someone to give me ideas and talk me through the whole process. Hit me up if you’d like to volunteer?

Thank you :)
Here is a good starting point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7e40GkgzH8

10 Mistakes Songwriters Make with Robin Frederick

1. 04:53 - Not knowing what you're writing about. (Lyrics.)

2. 18:28 - Cram too much into one song. (Lyrics: Better deep than wide.)

3. 24:22 - Telling, not showing. (Use comparisons, images.)

4. 28:05 - Writing melodies that need more shape (contrast).

5. 37:17 - Not engaging the listener. Good to start right in the middle (of the story).

6. 51:40 - Lyric and music could be working together more effectively.

7. 56:04 - Writing songs that sound dated. (Today, melodies have more momentum, emotional trigger words.)

8. 1:06:55 - Waiting too late to ask what genre your are in. (Ask this at the start.)

9. 1:11:28 - Not writing enough, not growing your catalogue.

10. 1:17:35 - Not aiming your songwriting at a target. (Where are my strengths? What can I do efficiently?)

11.(Bonus!) 1:20:11 - Don't compete with the slowest car in the race. (Breaking in as an outsider requires that extra push.)
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Post by jbanko70 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:50 am

Also, it is very imposrtant to check your lyrics on plagiarism. I ALWAYS do this with https://essaytoolbox.com/plagiarism-checker because once it was very confusing situation when I forgot to check and first verse was identical to one song that I even didn't know!

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Re: Help with songwriting!

Post by Ocmesnod » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:21 am

What kind of volunteer are you looking for? A collaborator, or someone to offer feedback/suggestions on your progress?

Interesting post. I’m interested, and intrugued.

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Post by cosmicdolphin » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:15 am

The Andy mentioned is good because it's geared towards Film & TV not just songs generally.

Also just go onto Youtube and search songwriting , there are some really good resources out there for free nowadays.

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Post by charlie2 » Tue May 05, 2020 10:35 am

As far as the music...Find songs you love. Then break them down. The chord progressions. The melodies. Etc

then take a very small part of one like the chord progression or a small part of the melody and try to write your own song.
Try to continue the song into new unheard territory.

This is the way the pros do it. Get into theory.
When people get advanced degrees in music composition they usually say MA in music composition and theory.
You have to break down and understand your favorite songs.. and then use that for your songwriting.
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