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Re: Is this lyric universal?

Post by CTWF » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:22 am

With Christmas, it is a religious holiday, and even if people are not Christians, they might still pray (and the rest won't care), no?

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Re: Is this lyric universal?

Post by cosmicdolphin » Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:12 pm

CTWF wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:22 am
With Christmas, it is a religious holiday, and even if people are not Christians, they might still pray (and the rest won't care), no?

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Not really , it was a Pagan Festival that was hijacked by religion

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Re: Is this lyric universal?

Post by wendylanders » Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:18 pm

In answer to Tom,

I hope! :)

...but I have figured out that "lighting a candle" is not part of a universal lyric, regardless of how generic that imagery is. The problem is that it is imagery at all.

I take Kolstad and Mark's point--the less specific the better.

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Re: Is this lyric universal?

Post by Kolstad » Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:19 pm

CTWF wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:22 am
With Christmas, it is a religious holiday, and even if people are not Christians, they might still pray (and the rest won't care), no?

Tom
Sure, but publishers usually ask for secular Christmas songs, or holiday songs..

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Re: Is this lyric universal?

Post by wendylanders » Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:21 pm

Yeah, the Christmas carols have a separate listing.

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Re: Is this lyric universal?

Post by CTWF » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:31 pm

cosmicdolphin wrote:
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Not really , it was a Pagan Festival that was hijacked by religion
In venture the guess that what is called pagan now was considered much less pagan back in the days.

If we could only ask the guys who ran Stonehenge! :lol:
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Re: Is this lyric universal?

Post by AlanHall » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:36 pm

The Romans who celebrated Saturnalia didn't consider themselves pagan, I imagine. Just regular folks who wanted to gather 'round the fire in the bleak midwinter. ;)

edit: from 'thoughtco.com'
Pagan comes from a Latin word paganus, meaning villager, rustic, civilian, and itself comes from a pāgus which refers to a small unit of land in a rural district. It was a demeaning Latin term (like the word hick), that originally lacked a religious significance.

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Re: Is this lyric universal?

Post by Zaychi » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:12 am

Aren't we getting too "Universal Lyrics Police" now? I mean, praying is understood to be part of Christmas tradition even for non-religious people... and the flag in the wind, doesn't demigodess Robin encourage us to find "speaking metaphores" and "strong visualization"? I mean, any visualization ("The river flows", "the wind blows", "lost in a forest", etc etc) doesn't automatically make it non-universal, I think? It's not like "I'm looking at the blue sky" can't be used under a scene where there are some clouds?

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Re: Is this lyric universal?

Post by cosmicdolphin » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:10 am

Zaychi wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:12 am
Aren't we getting too "Universal Lyrics Police" now? I mean, praying is understood to be part of Christmas tradition even for non-religious people... and the flag in the wind, doesn't demigodess Robin encourage us to find "speaking metaphores" and "strong visualization"? I mean, any visualization ("The river flows", "the wind blows", "lost in a forest", etc etc) doesn't automatically make it non-universal, I think? It's not like "I'm looking at the blue sky" can't be used under a scene where there are some clouds?
If it's literal though and not metaphorical then it can make it less universal, it's easy to fix though.

" Giving Thanks " is part of Christmas...I can't say I've ever thought of prayer as part of it because I'm not religious.

" Winds of Change " is a famous metaphor instead of a literal wind

" A river of emotion " rather than a flowing river

" The answer is blowing in the wind " ...it doesn't mean the weather

You can "fly the flag " for something, just means you support it ..not an actual flag.

Not that you can't get a placement with something non universal but it's just a limiting factor and one that's so easy to fix.
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Re: Is this lyric universal?

Post by CTWF » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:04 am

cosmicdolphin wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:10 am
If it's literal though and not metaphorical then it can make it less universal, it's easy to fix though.
Very good points! Tom
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