what do you recommend for drums?

[timbehrens]

Hey JP,I did a quick search and it looks like there is mention of EZ Drummer in Logic Studio. I would assume that there would be no problem if Logic Studio supports VST instruments/plugins.

[mazz]

JP,I run the AU version of EZ Drummer in Digital Performer. I would imagine it would work just fine in Logic as well.Take care!Mazz

[sgs4u]

Jan 27, 2009, 6:55am, jpmuzic wrote:Let me ask a question. Can you use Ez Drummer in Logic Studio? JP Yes, that's what I have, and they work perfectly togther. Unless I do a lousy job of programming. I think you JP, would have a lot of fun with EZdrummer.

[bigbluebarry]

I know that BFD 2 is supposed to be really good but I have no experience with it. So I'm going to continue the EZ Drummer momentum and then take it a step further and suggest Superior Drummer 2.0. It's EZ Drummer on steroids. If you're just starting out then you can't go wrong with EZ Drummer, and this is coming from a drummer. I've got a DW kit sitting in my studio that I haven't played in months. It's just so much quicker and easier for me to use EZ/SD as a songwriter. Plus all the EZ Drummer expansion packs work in both programs. If you want even more realistic sounding drums, then I'd definitely recommend SD 2.0.- Big Blue

[guscave]

I used BFD and although it's a great program with "VERY" realistic sound it did hog up my CPU. I agree that if you're starting out get EZDrummer. It has great sounds and you can even add your favorites as well.In regards to the midi loops, they use to sound pretty cheap 5 to 10 years ago, but most of the stuff out there like Groove Monkey are played by top pro drummers. Once you learn how to work with the program and sequencer, you won't be able to tell that your drums weren't recorded by a live drummer.

[southpaw]

Ill echo, EZ drummer is a capable candidate, and a quality midi drum program. That said, i have both, and if you are looking for more realistic sounds/timbres i have to say Addictive drums takes the cake imo.I've found It has much more flexibility and control vs. EZ drummer. I have EzDrum, but i never call it up anymore. Honestly, for midi drums, Adrummer is all i really use, with the exception of electronic based tunes/an 'obviously mechanized drum track'.I'll add that as i've been working with samples for a little while, ive come to the conclusion that samples are the way to go. For me, if i do a track that i want to put on my album, and the drums have to sound real... There's no comparison to actual recorded drum hit samples, or flexible loops for that matter, but its sometimes a little more work. Bottom line, it sounds to me that you are more interested in getting a good midi drum program, and getting used to programming. If you want the most realistic sounds available, my guess is that you'd probly have included that in your post. As bb said, toontrack also offers superior drummer.. So it might be worth considering getting EZ drummer and upgrading to superior drummer at some point.If you are indeed looking for a bang for the buck drum program, my vote goes to Addictive Drums, buteither will do just fine, and at an affordable price.Welcome to the forum Phil!Jamie

[kevinmathie]

Jan 27, 2009, 11:06am, bigbluebarry wrote:So I'm going to continue the EZ Drummer momentum and then take it a step further and suggest Superior Drummer 2.0. It's EZ Drummer on steroids.Hey Big Blue,I've looked at the specs on Superior Drummer from time to time, and become envious at times. Does SD 2.0 have the built-in MIDI drum loop thing built into it like EZ Drummer does? You know, so I can audition loops and then drag the one I want into my sequencer? For a wanna-be-drummer like me, that's a real time-saver. I get a groove that's close to what I'm thinking of, and then mess around with it until it's what I want, rather than starting every drum groove from scratch each time.Do you know how close the mapping is between the two programs? So, for instance, if I've created one groove in EZ Drummer, does it translate exactly to Superior Drummer? Or would I need to adjust things to make it work?

[kevinmathie]

Jan 27, 2009, 10:33pm, southpaw wrote:Ill echo, EZ drummer is a capable candidate, and a quality midi drum program. That said, i have both, and if you are looking for more realistic sounds/timbres i have to say Addictive drums takes the cake imo.You know, I was just thinking about Addictive Drums the other day, and was wondering how it stacks up to EZ Drummer. Maybe I'll have to check them out. Thanks for weighing in.K

[mojobone]

^^^^^There you have it. The proof is in their tracks; check these guys' music out on peer to peer, I defy you to tell the difference in most cases. For the sake of speed, I generally use MIDI loops/programming and 24-bit samples from Larry Seyer, (I may be alone, here, but just can't stand the smeary distort-y sound of 16-bit cymbal samples) but plan to add a kit of mesh pads in the near future. Whichever sampler you get, try to make sure it has a sample interpolation function that plays a number of different samples of the same velocity in sequence/random order, to avoid the dreaded machine gun roll effect that's commonly heard in electronica. Adjustable swing and groove templates are also handy features to have.

[bigbluebarry]

Jan 27, 2009, 10:35pm, kevinmathie wrote:Jan 27, 2009, 11:06am, bigbluebarry wrote:So I'm going to continue the EZ Drummer momentum and then take it a step further and suggest Superior Drummer 2.0. It's EZ Drummer on steroids.Hey Big Blue,I've looked at the specs on Superior Drummer from time to time, and become envious at times. Does SD 2.0 have the built-in MIDI drum loop thing built into it like EZ Drummer does? You know, so I can audition loops and then drag the one I want into my sequencer? For a wanna-be-drummer like me, that's a real time-saver. I get a groove that's close to what I'm thinking of, and then mess around with it until it's what I want, rather than starting every drum groove from scratch each time.Do you know how close the mapping is between the two programs? So, for instance, if I've created one groove in EZ Drummer, does it translate exactly to Superior Drummer? Or would I need to adjust things to make it work?Hey Kevin, Short answer, yes, SD 2.0 has built-in loops like EZ Drummer. And the grooves that come with SD 2.0 sound AMAZING. The difference between EZD and SD is that with SD you have another "step" in the process, the EZ Player, that you use for the grooves. It functions just like EZ Drummer, but has more flexibility.AND... all of the expansion packs that you have in EZ Drummer work with SD. One of the cool things about SD 2.0, if you have a groove that you love, say from the Nashville expansion pack, but you want to use the Drumkit From Hell to play it, you can do that easily. It has mapping functionality built into it. In fact, it also supports other libraries, meaning if you built a loop in another drum app, you can still use it within SD 2.0. It looks like it will allow you to map to Strike, BFD 1/2, Battery, Reason Drum Kits, Addictive Drums, and Drumcore.If you want to hear SD 2.0 in action, here's a link to a song that I just finished mixing yesterday:Not With Me - http://www.taximusic.com/song.php?song_ ... ream=trueI tweaked a few things but I'd say that the drums are 95% straight "out of the box" grooves from the N.Y. - Avatar library that comes with SD 2.0. Hope that helps!- Big Blueps - in case you're wondering, that's Audiorayne rockin' out the vocals! That guy is AMAZING! I love working with him!