DRUM SOUNDS?

[astroninja]

Hey guys just wondering! Hope you guys can help pretty please!Where's the best place to get punk styled drum samples which we can buy online?And Which standalone workstation is the best to work with when it comes to solid and real sounding drum samples!Is EZ Drummer really the best? It's a plugin to most audio workstations yeah?Thanks for reading this!Yours,Levan ASTRONINJATAXI peeps, do add us on MySpace @ www.myspace.com/astroninary! We'd love to keep in touch!

[davewalton]

Jun 29, 2008, 1:37am, astroninja wrote:Hey guys just wondering! Hope you guys can help pretty please!Where's the best place to get punk styled drum samples which we can buy online?That's a good question. I've looked and, to be honest, haven't really found anything that prompted me to open my wallet. Probably one of the best potentially, is this:http://www.bigfishaudio.com/4DCGI/detai ... 1288Here's the rub. In the Big Fish Audio library, anything that says "Contains construction kits" is prohibited (by their licensing agreement) from being submitted to and/or used by music libraries. So if you're just using these for cuts on your next hit album then no problem. But if you think you might be submitting for film/television placement (and music libraries are definitely one of the best ways to achieve that) then it can't use this with violating their licensing agreement. Quote:Which standalone workstation is the best to work with when it comes to solid and real sounding drum samples![/b]Is EZ Drummer really the best? It's a plugin to most audio workstations yeah?The three I see pop up a lot are Addictive Drums, EZ Drummer and Stylus RMX. I have Stylus RMX and swear by it... it's awesome but I've also heard forum members post stuff using the other packages I mentioned and they sound awesome too.RMX tends to lean toward electronica/processed sounds but it does also have excellent "real drum" expansion packages.

[marcblack30]

I give EZD very high marks, it supports a drag and drop feature which is handy, although that feature doesn't work in some of the Cubase versions. I would just double check at toontrack.com if it will work with what you have. Also, the expansion packs are cool, you might dig the Claustrophobic kit and DKFH.Another cool thing is EZ Player Pro, it's basically a multi track MIDI organizer, arranger and format conversion tool between mapping formats that allows you to gather all your MIDI clips in one browser. Another that i've come to like is Addictive Drums. You can download a demo with a limited kit, but all the features work. check it out here http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=downloadsI can't help you on the other questions.

[mojobone]

If you're looking for drums that sound 'real' and relatively unprocessed (and like to roll your own drum treatments) I recommend Larry Seyer drums for Gigastudio (there is also a VST instrument version, Giga VST-it's cross-platform or soon will be)I'm okay with 16-bit snares and toms, but to my ears 24-bit cymbals smoke anything less. I have also gotten great results with Drumcore, which has both audio and MIDI loops and sampled kits.(I Rewire them into Tracktion and use the drumcore MIDI loops to drive the Larry Seyer samples-sweet.)

[mazz]

Any of the drum libraries mentioned here will have very good basic and well recorded drum sounds. EZ Drummer has some expansion kits that would also work for punk oriented music.The thing that will give you that punk vibe are the right MIDI loops (in the case of EZD) and also the way the sounds are treated with the use of ambience, effects, etc. Any well recorded drum sounds will give you the raw materials you need, the art of the punk vibe will be up to your mixing, programming and effectage expertise.Cheers!Mazz

[stoney]

Try www.timespace.com not sure if they are worldwide but if you search around on their site you will find plenty of what you are looking for and maybe able to get it closer to where you are? Try just typing in punk on their search bar and see what comes up.All of the virtual ins mentioned above are great and as long as you produce and treat the drums correctly you can get the exact result yo want.I use DFH Superior although now with a new update called Superior 2.0. I love DFH because you can bounce each part of the kit to audio and mix and bus just like you would with a real world kit.BFD Drums is also a good VI as it gives you tons of choices with regards to kits probably even has a black beauty snare in there the standard for so many studios.BestStoney

[mojobone]

If you have a drum and have a DAW, you could make your own samples, given time and the right mics. Find some great drum miking tips here:http://mercenaryaudio.com/policeblotter.html

[timmcallister]

Jun 29, 2008, 8:58am, davewalton wrote:Here's the rub. In the Big Fish Audio library, anything that says "Contains construction kits" is prohibited (by their licensing agreement) from being submitted to and/or used by music libraries. So if you're just using these for cuts on your next hit album then no problem. But if you think you might be submitting for film/television placement (and music libraries are definitely one of the best ways to achieve that) then it can't use this with violating their licensing agreement. Hey Dave, thanks for pointing that out. But I think, their license is even more restrictive that that.You paraphrased from their "easy read" first paragraph . The actual license reads:The samples contained on our products are licensed, not sold to you, the individual end user, by Big Fish Audio. This non-exclusive, non-transferable license is granted only to the individual end user who has purchased an unopened, new and lawfully made copy of this product from a dealer or distributor authorized by Big Fish Audio. All samples remain the property of Big Fish Audio and are licensed only for use in the creation of a recorded or live performance that includes the licensed samples as part of a derivative musical work created by the licensed end user. This license expressly forbids resale, rental, loan, gift or transfer of these samples in any format or via any medium, except as part of a derivative musical work. The samples may not be included, whether unmodified or as part of a derivative work, in any music library or sample library product. Any unlicensed usage will be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible under the law.I bolded the text that seems to imply all their samples. It doesn't limit the restriction to construction kits.I'm no lawyer, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night (non-US folks may not get this)so - what cha say?peace!

[daniel481]

Hey guys, I actually created the "Punk and Indie Rock: Slammin' Sounds of So Cal" product that Dave mentioned up at the top. This same issue has been talked about before, but in talking to the owner of Track Star Entertainment, the company that helped finance that project, neither of us are completely sure what that statement in their license agreement pertains to. The way I always understood it was that when they referenced "Sample Libraries" and "Music Libraries", they were talking about the types of products that they market, i.e: royalty-free, construction kits/libraries. I know that the owner of Track Star even expected that people would be using our loops in pieces that they might pitch for TV/Film libraries; he really thought that's what one of the main points was. I never thought that they were referring to commercial libraries of the kind that we pitch music to.It makes sense to me that Big Fish wouldn't want people to take one of their products, re-arrange the loops, and then package it as a new product. What doesn't make sense is why you couldn't use, say, drum loops from one of these as a basis for a piece that you would pitch to libraries that specifically market to TV/Film, etc. From what Big Fish has told us, composers are (naturally, it would seem) the main people that buy these products.Anyway, I'm not saying that the way your understanding the license agreement is wrong, but I'm just not totally sure that it's really meant to restrict people from using the products in this type of music...I'll see if I can find out for sure, though.DanOh, and BTW, I think the "Punk" loop DVD is pretty cool and definitely worth buying...

[gongchime]

For a unique bass drum try taking a big painting down off the wall. One with stretcher bars and canvas. Then mic the canvas near one of the corners or at the edge with the mic tilted slightly toward the center and play with a soft mallet slightly off center. Best of all, it's free.