Bass sounds

[mazz]

Quote:To be fair the YT website clearly states that the dongle is not included. The reason the manual states otherwise is that previous versions used to include it.They recently did away with this to avoid having to carry two different packages for each product. One with and one without (for previous owners of other YT products).The sales person a Sweetwater who mislead you deserves a phone complaint IMHO. They advertise themselves as having the most knowledgable sales people in the industry after all... Matto, I did not go back to the YT website before I made my decision to buy, my bad. As I said earlier, I respect the developers and understand their need to protect their product.I usually do not use Sweetwater because in the past, they tried to get me to buy things I did not want to buy. "Well I know you want this but have you heard about this new thing that does this and that..........." I usually do pretty thorough research so when I order I'm pre-sold and I don't want to hear about anything else, pretty much because I already have considered what they are trying to steer me to!My "personal sales engineer" got an e-mail from me. I may try a phone call if I don't hear back soon. The person I spoke to was his personal assistant.Mazz

[davewalton]

Quote:Good arguments Dave, but to be fair, many dongle-based products have not been cracked. It is perhaps the only form of protection that actually works properly.You may be right but dongles seem to have gotten (fairly or unfairly) a noticable amount of bad press. My opposition to dongles comes from these third-party claims and not my own experience. But they're hard to ignore. Plus if I have ten software programs, each requiring their own dongle, well, just the mental picture of what my dongle-infested computer would look like is enough to discourage me.

[mazz]

Dave,I have just 3 dangling dongles (soon to be 4) . Some, such as iLok and Syncrosoft, can handle multiple authorizations from different vendors. But, of course, there is no standard and now YT has their own which is in a different format altogether. Maybe it's time to go back to banging rocks together....... Nah!!

[davewalton]

Quote:It might be helpful to know all the facts before accusing a company of shady business practices... My apologies to Yellow Tools for my comment. It wasn't meant as an indictment of shady practices and wasn't well written. I'm just saying that based on the importance of the information (you can't use the program without it) that the information should be given prominence equal to its importance. At Sweetwater for example, the system requirements are nowhere to be seen (their choice I guess) so having the dongle info there doesn't help. Looking at several online sales sites, there is no mention of the dongle requirement in the basic product description that Yellow Tools provides. It's certainly not a shady thing and not exclusive to Yellow Tools, just that if a dongle is required for any product, that the information should be obvious in the basic description that is provided to every site, in addition to their website, system requirements, box, etc. On the flip side of things, at Sweetwater the dongle does show up at the top right portion of the page as a "Customers also bought..." but that's a sales function of the Sweetwater website (the kind of thing I used to develop) solely there to entice online users to purchase more stuff.Anyway, having been on their side of the fence (Yellow Tools that is) I guess I'm more critical about consumer communication issues.Dave

[mazz]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I did place my Sweetwater order over the phone, which I rarely do. The guy at Sweetwater did ask me if I had the Yellow Tools device. I asked him (as I said earlier) if it was a Syncrosoft device and he said yes and so I declined to order it because I already have a Syncrosoft dongle.If I had ordered directly off the website, I would not have been asked if I needed it at all. Bad info or no info.........buyer beware. I'll do better research next time.Mazz

[matto]

Yeah I agree it should tell you when you buy the product from third party dealers. Like it does when you order from the YT webshop. Cause it IS annoying when you buy something and then can't use it right away, no doubt about that.As far as the bad rep that dongles have...the vast majority of that is hearsay propagated on music forums. Sure there are cases of people having legitimate problems, but the same is true for C/R. And just about EVERY piece of music software for that matter.When you see the "anti-dongle" discussion on places like kvr, 95% of the people that are whining and complaining about how horrible they are have never had one on their system.Kinda reminds me of the whining and complaining your hear about Taxi around the net...

[mazz]

DONGLE HELL!!My Yellow Tools key arrived and proceeded to not play nice with my Syncrosoft authorizations. Never had a problem until I put that little yellow thing into my computer last night. Then Majestic failed to pass the Audio Units examination process in Digital Performer so I can't use it. The stand alone version comes up with a blank screen.So 16G of supposedly great bass sounds languishing on my hard drive while I wait to hear back from tech support. Such is life in the modern world of music Mazz

[matto]

Arghh I'm starting to feel bad for recommending it...I have Synchrosft and YT keys sitting side by side and there has never been a problem whatsoever, they are not even aware of one another.Since I'm not on Mac I can't help you with AU or validations. I REALLY do wish Apple didn't have to go and invent their own plug-in standard though ...but what do you expect in today's world... Do you think Midi would still be possible today?

[mazz]

Quote:Arghh I'm starting to feel bad for recommending it...I have Synchrosft and YT keys sitting side by side and there has never been a problem whatsoever, they are not even aware of one another.Since I'm not on Mac I can't help you with AU or validations. I REALLY do wish Apple didn't have to go and invent their own plug-in standard though ...but what do you expect in today's world... Do you think Midi would still be possible today?matt, don't worry, I'm sure it will be worth the wait, you're still OK in my book I'm pretty sure I followed the installation instructions to the T but maybe I fouled up somewhere. I sent them the error message that DP generated so maybe they've heard of this before.MIDI is an anomaly. We're so fortunate that it happened at all and I'm amazed that it's still valid and useful to this day. Could it happen today? Good question. The world was smaller back then, it was pretty much some small US companies and a large Japanese company working together. Now the industry is much more global so maybe the answer is no.I'll update this as it progresses.Mazz

[mazz]

Got it working!!!!!I had to de-install and then I re-installed with the dongle connected which is not what the manual says but it worked. I let them know.The acoustic bass sounds very nice, the editing looks pretty easy as the attacks are more pronounced and I want to tone them down just a bit.Big fun,Mazz