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claire · Post by **claire** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:23 pm

It's all about the music.Doc Haley----------------------------------Now wait just a second there, Doc - I thought you said it was all about the lyrics...(just pullin' your leg)

rivercitymusic · Post by **rivercitymusic** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:58 pm

Let go of my leg! lolWas just one of those conversational statements meant to stirr up the nest.Sometimes you learn a lot by listening and sometimes you have to shake the trees to get people to speak up.Nothing meant by it other than the conversations are really good. They veer off now and then into oblivion but generally they are really interesting. People are absolutely amazing to watch and listen to. They also dumbfound me at times too.I'm here watching the stars move, sipping some red wine, dog and cat's asleep and some good music in the background.Life is great.

mojobone · Post by **mojobone** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:52 pm

Nov 22, 2008, 7:55am, matthoggard wrote:Squids is right.There a many, many great songs on albums that never get radio play. We all know this. The difference here is "great songs" and "great radio songs".I was a broadcasting major in college. I worked the local campus radio station as a DJ. Our play lists were based on the current commercial radio market at that time.When I came in for a shift, the previous DJ had all my music (3 hours worth) stacked up and ready to cue. All i had to do was play the liners and commercials (on CART tape mind you) and songs at the specified time on the playsheet.I worked the 7-11 shift. I could only play requests after 9pm. The students called constantly to request songs and bitch about songs that were played. I asked my director about why the playlist rules were so strict and he said, " this is how it is in the real radio world and we are preparing you for what the corporate stations are going to expect".Well I was the "maverick". I would play the requests when I wanted. I would even throw my own picks in at times. The students loved it. I constantly got calls telling me how cool the "show" was.Needless to say, my "show" was part of my grade and I always got low grades for doing this.My director would review my tapes and just ream me about not following guidelines.I was "removed" from the DJ lineup after 1 semster. After that experience I changed majors and left the broadcasting world to the sheep and the rest of the herd.Radio will always play what the suits tell them to. The suits are being told by the Record companies what to play and in turn the ad men are buying time based on perceived audience.Radio is just the money making machine. Artists and songs are the fuel that keeps it going.Unfortunately most of it is very low octane and the gas mileage sucks.M~Matt, you are officially my hero; you and anybody else that serves the music first; anybody asks, tell 'em professor Mojo gave you an A+ in broadcasting.

matthoggard · Post by **matthoggard** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:55 am

I appreciate the grade Mojo.Id gladly take and A+ in songwriting anyday over the crap I wasted my college years on.Gotta keep studying!!M~

squids · Post by **squids** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:42 am

Me too!!

cameron · Post by **cameron** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:51 pm

Nov 22, 2008, 5:26pm, claire wrote:No lyrics, no song.You're right Hey... keep me out of this!

matthoggard · Post by **matthoggard** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:03 pm

This is a chicken or the egg argument to me.No music and you just have a bunch of spoken word beatnicks or shower singers.No lyrics and its Mozart and Beethoven.I like to think that our ancient ancestors were beating on hollow logs and coconuts and gords.Maybe an animal hide stretched over a hollow log.Then the chanting and grunting came along.

squids · Post by **squids** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:24 pm

I think both developed around the same time, myself. It was only until composers evolved that things got sticky. Heh.

twilsbach · Post by **twilsbach** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:36 am

De Do Do DoDe Da Da DaIs all I've got to say to you.Nov 22, 2008, 2:50pm, rivercitymusic wrote:There is no song without lyrics. It's an instrumental. This acknowledgement ends the dispute.Unless there is another definition of an instrumental that i'm not aware of, or another definition of a song that i'm not aware of.Songs are sung, music is played.No lyrics, no song.Don't mean to be difficult here but it seems we are not all adhering to basic words and their meanings or definition?Doc

squids · Post by **squids** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:06 am

Nov 24, 2008, 11:36am, twilsbach wrote:De Do Do DoDe Da Da DaIs all I've got to say to you.

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