She's Doing Me (With Her Clothes On) R&B

[ig88]

Mar 18, 2009, 12:14pm, ciskokidd wrote:Mar 18, 2009, 8:26am, ig88 wrote:Quote from Immortal Technique"If you go platinum its got nothing to do with luck, It just means that a million people are stupid as F***"By that logic all the millions of people who bought Public Enemy, KRS One, and Wu Tang records are all a bunch of dumb asses. Without these giants paving the way where would he be.Not to mention Tupac, BIG, and Jay Z who are just as agile or better MCs than your beloved Immortal Technique.Just because you rhyme about social issues it doesn't make you better, it just makes you different, and believe me he's getting his paper just the same as all the rest.He's got skills mos definitely, but so does TI."Never mind what haters say, ignore em til they fade away"Best,CiskoWell you are right Immortal does make his money in the end, by avoiding major record labels and doing self distribution. 2 pac shirts are sold at sleezy gas staions and Hot Topic. I would not say that rapping about social issues would make him better, but using amazing dictation, delivery and perfect metaphors I would say that surpasses any MC you have Listed. Buuuuuut we have already gotten into our discussion of "True Hip Hop" agree to disagree. TI? can you really relate to anything he says? Without terrible music created by him what would all the haters do? Was that quote your implication of me still being a Hater? All these accusations towards me would almost make me ponder if you are in the same "hater" life boat...

[ig88]

Sorry about the thread Hijack Suprafly

[ciskokidd]

Mar 18, 2009, 12:05pm, ig88 wrote:Mar 18, 2009, 10:07am, ciskokidd wrote:Hey IG,Did I overreact? Possibly. Did I misunderstand? Not so sure.How do you expect me to interpret this comment:"i guess the lyrics are so stupid and cliche that common american people would gobble it up"BTWFour on the floor means: a kick drum on every quarter note which is the most common kick pattern in modern dance music.CiskoWell I dont make dance music so thank you for the knowledge I was very curious, sounded like an animal porn film. I would prefer that you react, weather to much or not i enjoy heated debates. Not misunderstandings. Was your implication that i make make only 4 on the floor?Maybe so, but all electronica has it's roots in dance music, follow the evolution and you can trace it back through techno, back to house, and back to yikes "disco". Tricky, Portishead, DJ Shadow, whatever.Seriously, what do you think DJs are spinning at raves and underground clubs? It's music to dance to - whether it's Jungle, Trip-Hop, Breakbeat, Ambient, or Chill. Best,Cisko

[ciskokidd]

Mar 18, 2009, 12:21pm, ig88 wrote:Mar 18, 2009, 12:14pm, ciskokidd wrote:By that logic all the millions of people who bought Public Enemy, KRS One, and Wu Tang records are all a bunch of dumb asses. Without these giants paving the way where would he be.Not to mention Tupac, BIG, and Jay Z who are just as agile or better MCs than your beloved Immortal Technique.Just because you rhyme about social issues it doesn't make you better, it just makes you different, and believe me he's getting his paper just the same as all the rest.He's got skills mos definitely, but so does TI."Never mind what haters say, ignore em til they fade away"Best,CiskoWell you are right Immortal does make his money in the end, by avoiding major record labels and doing self distribution. 2 pac shirts are sold at sleezy gas staions and Hot Topic. I would not say that rapping about social issues would make him better, but using amazing dictation, delivery and perfect metaphors I would say that surpasses any MC you have Listed. Buuuuuut we have already gotten into our discussion of "True Hip Hop" agree to disagree. TI? can you really relate to anything he says? Without terrible music created by him what would all the haters do? Was that quote your implication of me still being a Hater? All these accusations towards me would almost make me ponder if you are in the same "hater" life boat...Nope not hating, I only put the quote in to battle your quote. It wasn't directed at you personally.Obviously, if I'm responding to your posts it's because I think it's a worthwhile debate. If I thought you were just a hater, my response would be...silence.Best,Cisko

[ciskokidd]

Mar 18, 2009, 12:22pm, ig88 wrote:Sorry about the thread Hijack SupraflyMe too! Sometimes this happens on this forum. I hope don't think this is a daily occurrence. You've already said you are cool with the blunt hard and cold facts, so thank you for indulging our little battle here.Best,Cisko

[ig88]

Mar 18, 2009, 12:26pm, ciskokidd wrote:Mar 18, 2009, 12:05pm, ig88 wrote:Well I dont make dance music so thank you for the knowledge I was very curious, sounded like an animal porn film. I would prefer that you react, weather to much or not i enjoy heated debates. Not misunderstandings. Was your implication that i make make only 4 on the floor?Maybe so, but all electronica has it's roots in dance music, follow the evolution and you can trace it back through techno, back to house, and back to yikes "disco". Tricky, Portishead, DJ Shadow, whatever.Seriously, what do you think DJs are spinning at raves and underground clubs? It's music to dance to - whether it's Jungle, Trip-Hop, Breakbeat, Ambient, or Chill. Best,CiskoOh i agree and I know what raves are playing and even on ecstasy it is the same awful predictable D&B its disgusting. I have my own influences just like anyone else but that does not mean I am influenced by their influences (run on sentence sorry) Yeah you can trace anything back to what it could have been influenced by and say that would never happen without this. But that is just ridiculous because if they didnt do it someone else would have, music does not pause waiting for someone to experiment.Del the funky homosapian quote"Music is here without you or me, we just manipulate for better or worse"For the record I would love to watch a public rap battle of TI against Immortal Technique hahaha try and tell me he would stand a chance. that would shake america to have all of those fake wangsters, thugs and fake gangsters to watch him just get torn to verbal shreds.

[ig88]

Mar 18, 2009, 12:31pm, ciskokidd wrote:Mar 18, 2009, 12:21pm, ig88 wrote:Well you are right Immortal does make his money in the end, by avoiding major record labels and doing self distribution. 2 pac shirts are sold at sleezy gas staions and Hot Topic. I would not say that rapping about social issues would make him better, but using amazing dictation, delivery and perfect metaphors I would say that surpasses any MC you have Listed. Buuuuuut we have already gotten into our discussion of "True Hip Hop" agree to disagree. TI? can you really relate to anything he says? Without terrible music created by him what would all the haters do? Was that quote your implication of me still being a Hater? All these accusations towards me would almost make me ponder if you are in the same "hater" life boat...Nope not hating, I only put the quote in to battle your quote. It wasn't directed at you personally.Obviously, if I'm responding to your posts it's because I think it's a worthwhile debate. If I thought you were just a hater, my response would be...silence.Best,CiskoWell I am glad we can both take something from this because i would have responded with silence as well. Suprafly at least our convo keeps you at the top of the Peer to Peer.Thanks for you time Cisko

[suprafly]

Man, for a first post, that was crazy . I'd like to end this thread here. Anyone who comes through Chicago is welcome to stop by and hang out. I'm not all about rap and hip-hop . I listen to everything from Tool - Cesaria Evora - Kate Bush- Pepe Auguilar... and enjoy them immensely. Have friends in Chicago who started the house music stuff (JM Silk) back in late 70's. All music is to enjoy. Let's not fight about it. Peace.

[ig88]

Twas a heated discussion not fighting

[southpaw]

Hey suprafly, i see you ended the thread.... Probly a bit overwhelming for the first one here..! I guess ill save my points and wait for the revision. You got a good start going here. What part of chicago you in? My sister moved to chicago last year for a nursing job at the childrens hospital, she has a house out in lincoln park...Anywhere near? Take care, JamieO, and IG88, there is a big difference between 'heated debate' --- Something like---> "Maybe so, but all electronica has it's roots in dance music, follow the evolution and you can trace it back through techno, back to house, and back to yikes "disco". Tricky, Portishead, DJ Shadow, whatever. Seriously, what do you think DJs are spinning at raves and underground clubs? It's music to dance to - whether it's Jungle, Trip-Hop, Breakbeat, Ambient, or Chill. "And just being dumb. (If you feel the need to debate my use of this term, well here is 'one' clarification for you of my intended use. ("adjective 1. chiefly offensive (of a person) unable to speak,") Something like ----> "Are you serious? This is so wack, the vocals are dry and distant and it sounds like Luther Vandross meets michael jackson over boring production. Is this supposed to be R&B? Haha umm i guess the lyrics are so stupid and cliche that common american people would gobble it up but you need some solid production first. Do you do any of the things you write about? You have an approach i will give you that."Luckily, suprafly has the right attitude..... There are others here that arent as tolerant to ignorance and thoughtless speech. ;-O Just take it easy, apply some tact to your posts, you should be alright..