Right there- what Mark just stated! And sometimes just the simplest addition or layer. It could be a shaker, tamb, new gtr panned to a diff side. It need not be drastic, just keep the momentum going forward and not “tread-milling”cosmicdolphin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:19 pmI would say generally you need to be changing things around every 4 bars ( in 4/4 ) and if there's no change in 8 bars you are probably in " treadmill " territory...where the listener feels like they are on an endless treadmill going in a loop.
The thing is if they want to loop a section for a show then they can just loop it themselves in their own edit bay. So what they really want is options.
Well it does matter quite a bit. When they edit your cue into a scene they need a way for it to transition into the next one. So if you have a decent build towards a definitive ending your cue can be much more useful to the editor. They often use that last build to signify to the viewer that one scene is ending and another is coming, especially in reality shows.
Sometimes they will just use the middle of the cue and then tack the ending bit on themselves when they need to get out of cue into the next scene.
A lot of reference tracks are just for the "vibe"...obviously songs can have a fairly repetitive backing track as they have a vocal on top to hold the listeners interest. So if you are building a cue from a reference song by an artist don't think that just because they've got 16 bars where nothing much changes that it's okay to do the same.
Take the feel/vibe..but make something that has that arc and a strong finish. Obviously this is not true of every style but a good rule of thumb especially for reality cues that are using reference tracks from Top 40 type songs.
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Absolutely. Another good trick is just transposing a part up an octave or doubling it with something an octave above. This can work well when trying to build up to the finish.
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And these are specific suggestions that make for an 'aha!' moment for us newbies. Composer's toolbox updated, check!cosmicdolphin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:07 pmAbsolutely. Another good trick is just transposing a part up an octave or doubling it with something an octave above. This can work well when trying to build up to the finish.
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Hi Alan,AlanHall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:46 pmAnd these are specific suggestions that make for an 'aha!' moment for us newbies. Composer's toolbox updated, check!cosmicdolphin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:07 pmAbsolutely. Another good trick is just transposing a part up an octave or doubling it with something an octave above. This can work well when trying to build up to the finish.
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