Problem with my pro tools

[charlie2]

hi everyone:

i have pt 7.3 and i recorded strings from play (east west) on a instrumental track (midi).

i duplicated that track twice. the first one went fine but the second duplication didn't fully load.

i then closed the session and when i returned it said access violation occurred. when i tried to play it again it said:

"/code/azuki_cliff/alturaPorts/PT4_App/mdie/mdie_line518

the only difference is the forward slashes.....they go the other way.

i googled it but nothing came up.....even on dogpile.com

How do i stop the access violation so i can use the east west samples on this session?

any suggestions would help

ps....if no one could help me with this...then maybe i could save the session by transferring the midi data onto another session? i tried but so far no good. is that possible?

[jimrix]

Hi Charlie

Just to be clear, I'm assuming you've recorded MIDI data on an Instrument track, where you've inserted Kontakt loaded with East West, and then duplicated this track.

I don't know about this particular error code, but I'm guessing your computer is struggling to play this many instances of Kontakt with your current preferences/settings. Also, it depends on what you're wanting to achieve by duplicating tracks, as there may be alternatives.

Assuming the session opens OK, try removing Kontakt from the 2nd duplicate track. You could also try reverting to an earlier session file from Session File Backups. Yes, you could export the MIDI data if needed.

Other possible solutions:


1) Adjust settings in the Playback Engine (you may need to experiment with these, and will also depend on your computer)

Check the number of processors is not set to maximum - if you are on a 2-core machine try setting to 1, if on 8-core try 6 or 7.
Try increasing the DAE Playback Buffer to Level 4.
H/W Buffer Size and CPU Usage Limit may need adjusting.
Here's an article that might help with this: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec07/a ... p_1207.htm


2) Adjust settings within Kontakt / East West

Hope others can chime in here with some specifics, but there should be options to purge unused samples and articulations etc, which will reduce the load on your computer.


3) Add more RAM to your computer


4) In some cases, and depending on your intentions, you may not need separate instances of East West. For example, if you're adding a part an octave higher, you could put this on the same MIDI part.


5) A work-around is to print your current track(s) as audio, to free up system resources for other parts.

Route the output of the Instrument track via a bus to an audio track, and record the part in real-time.


HTH

Jim

[eeoo]

Yeah, why do you need multiple tracks of midi? Why not just record the midi to another track so you have an audio file and then duplicate that?

eo

[charlie2]

thanks jim and ee.

i restarted for the second time and it's ok.

the reason i'm using duplicates is to create octaves....something i can't do with audio tracks....but now i'll get it on audio first.

now my problem is it lacks cpu power at times plus it keeps telling me to increase or decrease my buffer size.

i already have 4 gigs of memory in my computer and i'm told it can only use 3 so i quess getting more memory wouldn't help this....or would it?

i'm also having problems putting the play volume down. in the play browser i tried the output fader, volume on the reverb, the mikes plus the mix window fader...they all didn't work

maybe you know.

thanks for ya help

[JamieMuffett]

You don't need to use multiple instances of Kontakt for this. You can use one instance and then put EastWest on a different midi channel. Then rather than opening an instrument track, open a midi track and select it's output to that of EastWest. You can do this many times while you are writing, then when you want to commit you can send separate audio outputs out of Kontakt to audio tracks and record each one independently at the same time.

And you should probably upgrade PT.

Good luck.

- Jamie

[jimrix]

I'm guessing there may be automation/breakpoints on the track volume in PT overriding new level changes. Try deleting all breakpoints on the main volume.

Hope this helps!
Jim

[charlie2]

You don't need to use multiple instances of Kontakt for this. You can use one instance and then put EastWest on a different midi channel. Then rather than opening an instrument track, open a midi track and select it's output to that of EastWest. You can do this many times while you are writing, then when you want to commit you can send separate audio outputs out of Kontakt to audio tracks and record each one independently at the same time.

I'm not sure exactly what you're saying.

So...i'll start with an instrument track then if i want to duplicate it i'll use a midi track. this way i'd be able to duplicate without really doing it.....is that right?

then i have to put it on audio which sounds a little more complex, but i'll try it.

I'm guessing there may be automation/breakpoints on the track volume in PT overriding new level changes. Try deleting all breakpoints on the main volume

how exactly would i do that?


this stuff is all new to me....so thanks for all the help

[JamieMuffett]

Basically you have one instance of Kontakt running and you are opening multiple instruments within that one instance, you are triggering each instrument from a separate midi channel in Pro Tools, that way you have independent control over all Midi data, and control of the instruments parameters in your one instance of Kontakt. Then you can output each instruments audio to a separate audio track for mixing (you are basically committing this to audio, you can 'hide and disable' the instance of Kontakt and midi channels to free up your RAM for mixing, if you need to make any changes to the Midi/Instrument at a later date, you can unfreeze and re-record the audio).

On your system multiple instances of Kontakt will freak it out for sure.

A simpler option would be to just record your Kontakt instruments to audio one at a time and 'Hide and Disable' as you go, but that could get a little hard to keep track of if you have loads of Kontakt instruments running. And it slows you down having to commit and bounce as you go.

- Jamie

[jimrix]

It sounds like you're creating a separate instrument track with Kontakt/East West on it for each instrument. It's more efficient to record your MIDI data onto MIDI tracks, and route the output of the MIDI tracks into a single instance of Kontakt/East West.

Say you want 3 string parts - cello/violin/octave

Create 3 MIDI tracks, one each for cello/violin/octave
Create 1 stereo Instrument track below these and put K/EW on it

The MIDI track outputs will now show Kontakt as an option in the menu. When you select Kontakt you can select a specific MIDI channel

On your first MIDI track, say cello, set the output to MIDI channel 1
On your second MIDI track, say violin, set the output to MIDI channel 2
On your third MIDI track, say an octave part on the same violin sound, also set this output to MIDI channel 2

Within K/EW:

Set the cello to receive on MIDI channel 1
Set the violin to receive on MIDI channel 2

On your Instrument track, set the output to your normal monitoring output eg 'Analog 1-2'

Arm your first MIDI track (cello) for recording. Now when you play your keyboard you should hear cello.
Disarm the first MIDI track.
Arm your second MIDI track (violin) for recording. Now when you play your keyboard you should hear violin.

You can therefore record the MIDI data for each part on its own MIDI track, and they will play the sounds from one instance of K/EW.


Converting your string parts to audio:
Create some (presumably stereo) audio tracks below the Instrument track.
Check the outputs on these tracks are set correctly eg 'Analog 1-2'

Option 1)

Set the output of the Instrument track (with Kontakt on it) to a Bus eg Bus 1-2.
Set the input of the first audio track to the same Bus.
Solo the cello MIDI track, the Instrument track, and the first new audio track.
Set the audio track to input monitor or record-ready.
When you play back, the cello part should meter on the audio track and you should hear it.
You can then record it as audio.

Repeat for the other parts.

Option 2)

Kontakt has multiple outputs which you can route into PT.
Click on the track input of one of the audio tracks. As well as Interface and Bus, you'll see a 'plug-in' option which allows you to choose an output from Kontakt.

On your audio tracks, set the input to one of the outputs from Kontakt eg Aux1 for cello, Aux2 for violins.
In Kontakt, set the cello to output on Aux1 and the violins on Aux2.
Set the audio tracks to input monitor or record-ready.
When you play back, the cello and violins should meter and be heard via their corresponding audio tracks.
You can then record both in as audio simultaneously.


Volume stuff:

In the Edit Window below each track name you can select what that track displays eg waveform/regions.
It seems you're experiencing volume difficulties via an Instrument track, so check if there are breakpoints on 'MIDI volume' and 'audio volume'.
If so, and assuming you haven't entered any automation, use the selector tool (F7) to click and drag beyond all breakpoints, and hit delete.
You can delete individual breakpoints by clicking on them with the grabber tool (F8) whilst holding down 'alt'.


Good luck!
Jim

[charlie2]

jamie, thanks for all your help

you said: Basically you have one instance of Kontakt running and you are opening multiple instruments within that one instance, you are triggering each instrument from a separate midi channel in Pro Tools, that way you have independent control over all Midi data, and control of the instruments parameters in your one instance of Kontakt. Then you can output each instruments audio to a separate audio track for mixing (you are basically committing this to audio, you can 'hide and disable' the instance of Kontakt and midi channels to free up your RAM for mixing, if you need to make any changes to the Midi/Instrument at a later date, you can unfreeze and re-record the audio).

On your system multiple instances of Kontakt will freak it out for sure. yes....that's my problem.....

you also said: Basically you have one instance of Kontakt running and you are opening multiple instruments within that one instance,

do you mean i can open muliple tracks?...just like i'm dupilcating them?

you said i'll trigger each instrument from a separate midi channel.

well....i recorded 3 string instruments on the instrument track from play...does that mean i now need 3 midi tracks?...or 1 midi track? then do i record that data onto the midi tracks?

if so....i tried but it didn't work. i need to know where the outputs and inputs go with each track

i know this may sound funny... but i just don't know...

if i do need to record it. the way i know to transfer data (midi to audio) is to bus it but as you know there's no bus on midi tracks and i tried all other options i think. i don't know midi to midi

i think it means i'll record the midi tracks at the same time that i record the instrument track....is that correct?

you said: A simpler option would be to just record your Kontakt instruments to audio one at a time and 'Hide and Disable' as you go, but that could get a little hard to keep track of if you have loads of Kontakt instruments running. And it slows you down having to commit and bounce as you go.

yes...that's what i been doing...but sometimes i need to dupilcate the midi track to create octaves and things....that's where i have problems

jamie....thanks for your help....this is new ground for me and i am getting some of it

by the way....you're nyc...i'm western nassau county. know anyone who can come to my home for any of this stuff?

let me know and thanks