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Re: Well known Library taking part of writers share...

Post by Casey H » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:13 pm

DesireInspires wrote:
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Casey H wrote:
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Yes, it depends on whether you are willing to screw your fellow composers out of their future livings (and yourself in the process) in order to make a few pennies in the short term.

NEVER sign such a deal. I rarely answer in such absolutes but here I will.

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I wouldn’t go to those extremes.

If there are guaranteed placements on the right shows, the royalties will add up. Many people who work as staff writers for music publishers end up writing songs and giving a good portion of the writers share away. It’s a common practice.
(1) There never are "guaranteed placements". If you know a library I can sign with that guarantees placements, please let me know as I'd love to work with them.

(2) Staff writing for hit songs is a whole different animal than production music for Film/TV. Staff writers DO generally get their full writers share based on whatever percentage of the writing they did. Sole writer: 100%, 2 way co-write 50%, etc. They give away the PUBLISHER'S share to the company just as we do with libraries. And they get advances against future royalties. There is a world of difference between someone getting a co-write who actually contributed to the writing (even if minimal) than just out of financial need/greed. The only reason this library wants writers share is because the TV Production companies got greedy and demanded 1/2 the publishers share which they should never be entitled to. Sadly, that cat's out of the bag and may be hard to reel back in. It IS NOT *common practice* in the music library world to give away writer's share. However, if writers have the attitude you are expressing and start signing these deals, it *will* be more the norm and we all will be screwed. It might happen anyway as there is always someone hungry enough to sign a bad deal.

(3) Yes, I would go to those extremes (unless I was shown some INCREDIBLY compelling reason to sign which I doubt).

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Post by DesireInspires » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:27 pm

Sorry Charlie. The game has changed.

Adapt accordingly.....

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Post by Kolstad » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:27 am

PMA will come out with a public statement about giving up writers shares soon. Morgan (from PMA) wrote that composers should stand their ground on Facebook earlier in July, so OP could try to contact them. They will help you out on this issue.

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Re: Well known Library taking part of writers share...

Post by JohnnyP » Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:28 am

Kolstad wrote:
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PMA will come out with a public statement about giving up writers shares soon. Morgan (from PMA) wrote that composers should stand their ground on Facebook earlier in July, so OP could try to contact them. They will help you out on this issue.
Thanks for that info Kolstad. Morgan's a wonderful advocate for us but I hadn't heard the PMA was going to release an official stance on this subject. I did attend some raucous PMC meetings out at the Lowes in the fall of '18 and '19 so I had a general sense of where a majority of the writers that attended that seminar stood.

Here's a case in point for not taking the buyout/dilution of your writer's share from a few months ago..

I was offered the option of a buyout on one of my songs by a huge streaming company, you know the name. The song aired for :45 seconds on an episode in April and the 10 episode show was the most popular show on the network. It was a sync fee of between 5-10k and I had the option to just fill in an amount for the buyout. I opted to keep my back end.
The sweetest part is this placement was through a sync agent. She received 35% of the sync, I received 65% of the sync plus I received 100% of the writers and 100% of the publisher's share.

I know this example may be a bit like comparing oranges to tangerines but my point is to hold on to as much of the interest and control of your creative work as possible.
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Re: Well known Library taking part of writers share...

Post by stevebarden » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:05 am

Holy crap, you guys, is this what it has come down to?

Please. Please, please, please DON'T EVER ACCEPT LESS THAN 100% WRITER'S SHARE.

Are you feeling desperate? There is never a good reason to give in to this. I get it that the economy is struggling right now and everybody is just trying to stay afloat. But by taking less than 100% of YOUR MONEY you hurt not only yourself but the entire industry. Don't contribute to this horrible business model.

Sure, there will be desperate composers who will agree to this just so they can earn something. But here's what happens:

1. You will never again be offered 100% of writer's share by this company once you accept this - even if their business becomes profitable again.

2. What happens if in one year, or two years, or five years things aren't much better and they decide they now need 60%, 70%, or more of your writer's share? They know you're desperate and will take whatever they offer.

3. The more people that agree to this sets a precedence. You've now contributed to the demise of the industry.

How can you get around this? Become invaluable. Write great music. If you are only capable of writing shitty music then you will never be able to demand what you're worth. Work hard and improve your skills. Put together albums of 10, or 20 tracks of GREAT MUSIC that the INDUSTRY WANTS and can be marketed immediately. Make it easier for them to sell your music and harder for them to refuse to pay you what you're worth.

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Re: Well known Library taking part of writers share...

Post by Casey H » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:23 pm

Thank you Steve for a voice of reason!

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Re: Well known Library taking part of writers share...

Post by Kolstad » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:55 pm

Another angle here is also, if libraries begin to take writers shares, they basically can play writers out against each other, with the argument «well, if we just had 5% more of the track, we would pitch it to our best opportunities» ect. Its a slippery slope, and that beast will eat up the composers who signs with them. I feel sorry for those who are tricked into this by their own mind.

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Re: Well known Library taking part of writers share...

Post by cosmicdolphin » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:03 pm

stevebarden wrote:
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Write great music. If you are only capable of writing shitty music then you will never be able to demand what you're worth. Work hard and improve your skills.
Amen to that, some folks seem to rock up here thinking Taxi is an easy way to make 'mailbox money'.....then you listen to crap they're churning out :shock: ...If only these people put a fraction as much effort into learning some music skills as they do promoting themselves. :roll:

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Re: Well known Library taking part of writers share...

Post by DesireInspires » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:09 pm

cosmicdolphin wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:03 pm
Amen to that, some folks seem to rock up here thinking Taxi is an easy way to make 'mailbox money'.....then you listen to crap they're churning out :shock: ...If only these people put a fraction as much effort into learning some music skills as they do promoting themselves. :roll:
I wouldn’t say that. Promotion is definitely the better way to get work. Plenty of talented guys and girls are not successful simply because they are not getting noticed. A composer should be finding out ways to stand out from the crowd. Making good music is simply not enough.

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Re: Well known Library taking part of writers share...

Post by cosmicdolphin » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:18 pm

DesireInspires wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:09 pm
cosmicdolphin wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:03 pm
Amen to that, some folks seem to rock up here thinking Taxi is an easy way to make 'mailbox money'.....then you listen to crap they're churning out :shock: ...If only these people put a fraction as much effort into learning some music skills as they do promoting themselves. :roll:
Making good music is simply not enough.
I'm not talking about people who make good music here

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