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In the air tonight

Post by PhilRey » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:42 pm

Trying to create something for this ACOUSTIC COVER brief..
-> LAST VERSION: V4: https://soundcloud.com/melodeicon/in-th ... er/s-3xY0K

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V1: TOO LONG !
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V2: EDIT : following feedback from John : V2 : INTRO still too long !
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V3: EDIT 02 : following Peter's feedback, short intro: V3: https://soundcloud.com/melodeicon/in-th ... ight-cover
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But:
1-I'm affraid it's too "busy"..
2-I'm affraid it's not "commercial friendly" enough..
3-I'm affraid it's not so original
3-I'm affraid ! I'm affraid ! I'm affraid !

:D

What do you say?
-Phil
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Post by johnlewitt » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:19 pm

It's pretty cool.

A few things I'd do.

1) Start the song with the first verse. That first minute just takes too long to get to something and it's a slight changeup on what Phil originally did.
2) There's no discernible bass. It needs it. Not necessarily from the get go, but eventually.
3) That breakdown at 4:13? That's got to be longer and introduced in the middle of the song. That acoustic guitar adds a perfect flavour to the song and a welcome variation.
4) I would work on the acoustic guitar tone too, it could be better IMO.

Good luck with it.

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Re: In the air tonight

Post by PhilRey » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:42 pm

Thank you so much for these precious (and clever) information John ! ;)
I agree on everything you said... (the guitar on the left is a Ukulele actually, I don't know how it's confusing....)

Here is V2 : https://soundcloud.com/melodeicon/in-th ... -1/s-pHcXa

Still struggling a little bit with the bass sound...

-Phil
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Post by ernstinen » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:08 am

Really nice and creative! Excellent vocals. Nice build to it!

My only suggestion is when the first "obvious" synth part comes in at about 1:42, play those 3 chordal notes on electric guitar. "We" know that the synths are coming in later, so why not throw a curve and do the first synth part on guitar? Just a thought.

Very well done!

Ern :)

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Re: In the air tonight

Post by PhilRey » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:48 am

Thank you very much Ern ! That's a good idea, that I would love to try ! May I ask what kind of electric guitar you hear ? Saturated ? Starto kind of ? Half / half ?

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Post by funsongs » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:05 am

Just Old-Guy ears & Peanut Gallery review - having a tough time sitting still through the long Intro...
was expecting to hear some singing before the 10 second mark; getting impatient in my old age. :? :shock: 8-)
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Post by PhilRey » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:18 am

funsongs wrote:Just Old-Guy ears & Peanut Gallery review - having a tough time sitting still through the long Intro...
was expecting to hear some singing before the 10 second mark; getting impatient in my old age. :? :shock: 8-)
Did you listen to V2 ? :)

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Re: In the air tonight

Post by funsongs » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:23 am

PhilRey wrote:
funsongs wrote:Just Old-Guy ears & Peanut Gallery review - having a tough time sitting still through the long Intro...
was expecting to hear some singing before the 10 second mark; getting impatient in my old age. :? :shock: 8-)
Did you listen to V2 ? :)
well, yeah... the up to the :30 mark... LOL
by then, I was needing a nap!
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Re: In the air tonight

Post by PhilRey » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:29 am

Ok well.. the 1st verse is at :30... Strangely it doesn't bother me so much knowing that this track is originaly very linear... But commercialy speaking that might not be a good idea nowdays.. I don't know..
I tried to make it start at :10 and it sounds rushed... i really don't know what to do with this.. is it some kind of criteria this "vocal before :10" thing in this business ?

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Post by funsongs » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:41 am

PhilRey wrote:Ok well.. the 1st verse is at :30... Strangely it doesn't bother me so much knowing that this track is originaly very linear... But commercialy speaking that might not be a good idea nowadays.. I don't know..
I tried to make start at :10 and it sounds rushed... i really don't know what to do with this.. is it some kind of criteria this "vocal before :10" thing in this business ?
Well - I don't write/submit stuff for TV/film - so maybe there's no rule or specific formula.
But - if music supes are listening to multiple submits, and maybe only enduring and/or deciding within the first few seconds...
long Intros could be hugely problematic.
There is also that mantra: "Don't bore us - get to the Chorus"...
therefore: intros more than 10 seconds (maybe 15 seconds, MAX), and not getting to the Chorus by, say, :45 in... :? :shock:
It's gonna depend on what the listing/client wants, and the patience of the Screener how long they'll listen to a SONG that starts out like an instrumental.

Maybe this is a discussion/topic for a separate thread: "how long the Intro to a song?"
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