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Re: WIP - 'No Enemy' - updated v2

Post by sedge » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:12 am

Thanks for the kind words and top stuff dude! these are wikid comments!
Silversun wrote: Still need to tame the kick. I suspect your pushing it to get it cut through. Try adding some 'click' . Take out a bit of 400hz/500hz and add a quite narrow boost at about 1k-1.5k . It will add more beater rather than thump and will allow you to hear the kick more without having to flap your trousers to much.
nice!
Silversun wrote: Bass... again a bit undefined. Add a slight touch of distortion.I think it will sit with your aesthetic and help with the definition.
Nice on the bass! You got it! I had some distortion but backed off last min, easy add back fix hopefully!
Silversun wrote: The solo I would have come at from slightly angle and maybe gone with a melodica vibe so it comes from leftfield.
Leftfield, as in I went a little mainstream? Yeaap melodica! second suggestion for that now and buying one today in this key, should be fun!
Silversun wrote: Bv's need brightening up.Theyre as bit smushy.
Got ya
Silversun wrote: Of course the above views are subjective and not necessarily endorsed by the management :) Cheers.
Your mixes are sweet, I'm soaking this up and getting on em, hope I manage the mix skills and pull it off.

Cheers man!

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Re: WIP - 'No Enemy' - updated v2

Post by Nivek » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:10 pm

Nice one Sedge. To be getting this much imput........................... must mean we all believe in this one............I love your other tracks en all.

Do a good job...........Kev

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Re: WIP - 'No Enemy' updated -v3-Harmonica

Post by sedge » Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:12 pm

Hi ears,

No Enemy( What you Mean to Me) WIP3 - http://www.taxi.com/wackykites


Harmonica Disclaimer - I wouldn't call myself a harmonica player by a long shot !!
Am I just ok with it because I enjoyed putting it in? your thoughts would be top, is it even in the right key? : O ha!

Thanks for the great feedback to help me get this better,

In response to the last comments, this mix I hoping;

- the Bass is tighter
- the Kick is Beefy but not 'wafting your trousers' (thanks Silversun)
- the Harmonica doesn't kill it, thanks to Kev for the harmonica suggestion, address complaints to him people : )

Thanks for the great feedback so far! Hope you can share your thoughts on this new version with the gob iron

Many thanks, thanks Kev for the comment above too!

Sedge

Eit: Sorry Paul I, I have two floating the front page now : O

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Re: WIP - 'No Enemy' updated - v3 Harmonica

Post by AndrewCavanagh » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:48 pm

The music has a wonderful feel to it and you have a really nice voice and style.

But you need to do some serious work on the lyrics if you want this song to resonate with people emotionally.

You're investing a huge amount of time in working on the music in this song which is great but the in terms of the overall concept and the lyrics you need to think about doing a complete rewrite (or multiple rewrites if you're genuinely serious about your songwriting).

What are you trying to say with this song?

It sounds like a love song but there are really no lyrics to support that (apart from "then you'll see what you mean to me" which is really not a strong lyric).

Or is it a peace song. If so why be so ambiguous? Say what you want to say with some clear emotionally evocative lyrics.

Personally I think the strongest line in the whole song is "I am my own enemy" which you could build a song around...perhaps make a story around that with a couple of different verses.

If you go right back to the start with your song concept you may decide that "no enemy" is simply the wrong concept to go with the feel of the song.

Or you may decide to explore the no enemy or the "I am my own enemy" idea and write down a few pages of possible words and phrases that might go with the concept of "no enemy".


You might also write a couple of pages of different lyric or song concept ideas...anything that matches with the feel of the song...phrases, words, ideas.

At the moment you're probably tied to the current lyric in your mind and you just need to forget those old lyrics altogether and see if you can come up with something completely new (don't worry you don't lose the old lyrics...they'll still be there if you want them).

I hope you find something there helpful.

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Re: WIP - 'No Enemy' updated - v3 Harmonica

Post by sedge » Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:10 am

Hi Andrew! Nice to meet you
and thanks for the time, good stuff here.

Your right, getting the sound right has been my main concern in posting this up here, mixing etc.
AndrewCavanagh wrote:At the moment you're probably tied to the current lyric in your mind and you just need to forget those old lyrics altogether and see if you can come up with something completely new (don't worry you don't lose the old lyrics...they'll still be there if you want them).
Quite Right, this is how it is known for friends, been played like for a while. It's crazy how they stick! life of its own!
but yeah, Lyrics were the first thing to pop up here, can't ignore that (as much I wish the lyrics would miraculously pass through : O ).
I'm looking forward to trying new lyrics for Taxi listings + Will be fun, your right on mark with your words. Thanks


Hey checked out your website and grabbed your PDF, thanks! good stuff!

Many Thanks for the time, really appreciate it,

Rob
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Re: WIP - 'No Enemy' updated - v3 Harmonica

Post by Len911 » Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:09 am

Rob, I totally agree with Andrew. The harmonica gives it even more of that Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young vibe,lol! I think if you use the harmonica, which I like, then you have to commit fully and not try to bury it. Harmonica should be loud and nasty, Howlin Wolf comes to mind. There may be some symphonic harmonica somewhere,lol, that I'm not aware of. If you're not a practiced and skilled harmonica player, (like myself) it's pretty easy to tell if you have the wrong key harmonica. If the lyrics were honed and polished, there's no holding this song back.
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Re: WIP - 'No Enemy' updated - v3 Harmonica

Post by sedge » Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:41 am

Thanks Len, you have a great way! Im gonna go exactly that with the gob iron and blast out.
agree on the lyrics, need like Andrew says, match the vibe of the backing, I have to let go
Len911 wrote: If you're not a practiced and skilled harmonica player, (like myself) it's pretty easy to tell if you have the wrong key harmonica
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I couldn't find the closing note though. The Harmonica is in a C.
These Chords are

Verse G - F

Chorus
C - Bmin - Amin - Bmin - G
C - Bmin - Amin - Bmin G

Ending is G major / F#Min

What Key is that ? LOL Feel like a Neanderthal : )

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Re: WIP - 'No Enemy' update v3-Harmonica - ignore this one sorry

Post by Nivek » Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:40 am

Hey Sedge, just had a listen and I still think that harmonica will work. I've just played a "G" harmonica against it and that works a whole lot better than cross keying a "C. "
Philharmonic got back to me eventually but his doing orchestral work here and in France. Very busy so rule him out.

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Re: WIP - 'No Enemy' update v3-Harmonica - ignore this one sorry

Post by sedge » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:50 am

Hi Kev, thanks for checking in. G of course! Duh, umm I don't have one of those yet

Just working on a better version right now to overwrite this version 3 (new lyrics and second attempt at the mouth organ)

If your up for a harmonica take that would be really cool!? I've just got a slightly new arrangement to fit the new words coming.

Speak soon, thanks again.

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Re: WIP - 'No Enemy' update v3-Harmonica - ignore this one sorry

Post by Nivek » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:07 am

sedge wrote:Hi Kev, thanks for checking in. G of course! Duh, umm I don't have one of those yet

Just working on a better version right now to overwrite this version 3 (new lyrics and second attempt at the mouth organ)

If your up for a harmonica take that would be really cool!? I've just got a slightly new arrangement to fit the new words coming.

Speak soon, thanks again.

If can give me a day or two I'd be glad to do you a track. I'll be in touch.............Kev

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