Re: Disney Terms of Use

sgs4u · Post by **sgs4u** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:58 am

Dec 4, 2008, 11:54am, kitz wrote:I have a question about this document.http://disney.go.com/corporate/legal/terms.htmlIf I submit material to these guys. Do they own it? Is that what this is saying? I'm looking at section 4?KitzSorry I posted all over but I really need some input here.You really only need to post this once. Especially because it's be easier to read the responses you get, if they're all on the same thread. Posting the same thing in 3 threads, makes people feel LESS like responding, and that's not what you want at all is it?

cjdenecia · Post by **cjdenecia** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:04 am

Dec 4, 2008, 11:58am, sgs4u wrote:Dec 4, 2008, 11:54am, kitz wrote:I have a question about this document.http://disney.go.com/corporate/legal/terms.htmlIf I submit material to these guys. Do they own it? Is that what this is saying? I'm looking at section 4?KitzSorry I posted all over but I really need some input here.You really only need to post this once. Especially because it's be easier to read the responses you get, if they're all on the same thread. Posting the same thing in 3 threads, makes people feel LESS like responding, and that's not what you want at all is it? so steve, what you're saying is that you have no clue?btw ... personally, I think the forum etiquette thing is necessary but wouldn't you say there's some people who only post or even maybe lurk in isolated sub forums? one of those folk may have kitz's answer and maybe otherwise wouldn't have seen it?just an innocent question oh crowned one.

kitz · Post by **kitz** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:10 am

Help me out you guys! If I submit a song do they legally own it with or without compensation based on this terms of use agreement?Thanks,Kitz

sgs4u · Post by **sgs4u** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:12 am

Dec 4, 2008, 12:04pm, cjdenecia wrote:so steve, what you're saying is that you have no clue?just an innocent question oh crowned one. You finally noticed! What took so long?

andreh · Post by **andreh** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:14 am

Steve is correct that cross-posting [and bumping up your post before people have had a chance to respond] is generally considered poor forum etiquette...not just on this forum. Perhaps the OP (original poster) was not aware of that, however, so we'll let him off with a light slap on the wrist... @ cj: Many of us use the "100 most recent posts" button in the Info Center at the bottom of the forum home page, so we see messages from all forums (and all cross-posts several times).André

cjdenecia · Post by **cjdenecia** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:17 am

Dec 4, 2008, 12:10pm, kitz wrote:Help me out you guys! If I submit a song do they legally own it with or without compensation based on this terms of use agreement?Thanks,KitzI am no attorney, and you need one to regurgitate this utter bullshit but upon reading it, I deduce that yes, they expect you to give them ownership of the copyright of the submitted material and in fact - you will need their permission to use it after submission ...or something similar ... my god. I'd hope their willing to accept your first born instead.

kitz · Post by **kitz** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:20 am

Sorry 'bout the cross posts. Won't happen again!This seems to imply that by just submitting a piece for their potential use means they own all the rights. How can that be? Kitz

cjdenecia · Post by **cjdenecia** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:23 am

Dec 4, 2008, 12:14pm, andreh wrote:Steve is correct that cross-posting is generally considered poor forum etiquette...not just on this forum. Perhaps the OP (original poster) was not aware of that, however, so we'll let him off with a light slap on the wrist... @ cj: Many of us use the "100 most recent posts" button in the Info Center at the bottom of the forum home page, so we see messages from all forums (and all cross-posts several times).AndréI understand that, but from what I've seen a lot of people do have what they feel are "urgent" matters and might just be a bit more important (to them) than whether or not a few others have to tolerate a triple legitimate post .... but whatever, it's ya'lls game ... the fact is, I, personally don't necessarily go into a lot of the other threads on a frequent basis and thus far, it seems I'm the only one to bother to actually look at the contract they sent kitz?what do you get out of that item #4 andre?

cjdenecia · Post by **cjdenecia** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:27 am

Dec 4, 2008, 12:20pm, kitz wrote:Sorry 'bout the cross posts. Won't happen again!This seems to imply that by just submitting a piece for their potential use means they own all the rights. How can that be? Kitzit's disney. they feel they can screw you and you'll be happy about it. and btw, it's irrevocable. forever. and ever ... and ever ... amen.but there must be a music attorney on this board? or somebody within the taxi organization who handles this sort of query, after all, you are talking about a deal that came about by way of taxi correct? or one that might be offered ...

mazz · Post by **mazz** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:36 am

In section 2 they say anything is either their copyrighted property or the property of licensors and licensees (which you would be one if you were selected). In section 4 they go on to say that you grant them a non-exclusive license which gives them the right to do anything they want with the material once they have it. They also want you to be a member of a PRO, which means that they would file a cue sheet and you'd get performance royalties as the writer.I'm not a lawyer but this looks like fairly standard stuff. But only your attorney knows for sure. I wouldn't sign anything like this without consulting an attorney first and having them explain in plain terms what all of this means. If you hire and attorney this time and listen and learn, the next time you see language like this, you'll have a better handle on understanding it.Protect yourself and hire an attorney.Good luck,Mazz