great Presidential speech

[ggalen]

Cyndy,I take it you or members of your family have not had the "pleasure" of being denied payment of a major medical bill by your private insurance company.Or being denied coverage at all. Or having your monthly premiums jacked to the sky after you got sick.There's a lot not to like about the current system when the CEO of United Healthcare gets $102,000 per hour. Talk about a waste of money that could be going to help pay medical bills...

[drew]

Sept 17, 2009, 9:00pm, cyndy wrote:Just curious here..Have any of you had the pleasure of being a participant in government-controlled healthcare?I have.My children have a percentage of Indian blood, so I've spent untold numbers of hours at the "Indian Hospital/Clinic" over the years. If you want to see inefficiency at its finest, spend a day with a person who's seeing a doctor there. Better bring your lunch and dinner, though ... you're gonna be there a while.And then, down the road ... when you reach the last 4 months of the fiscal year, it's not uncommon to be told that there's not enough money for your needed medical care, so your child will have to wait 'til next year. This isn't hearsay. It's first-hand.I suppose it probably runs neck-and-neck with the government-run VA Hospital. Last I checked, people weren't exactly real excited about puttin' their loved ones there.Right offhand, I honestly can't think of one thing the government runs/controls that's so successful that I want to applaud it.P.S. - By the way, the inefficiency at the government-run healthcare facility was the same through the years, whether the president at the time was a Democrat or a Republican. Thanks, Cyndy! Great post, and eye opening for those that have the vision necessary to see it. The congress has had years to correct an obvious problem but have not done it for you. It's more like "Be glad for what you have"TT's post above was a very good one, I agree with it. But (yeah, of course) there is a problem, any guesses?It's simple, it's the same answer as yours. They all operate on a budget, when it's depleted for the year THAT'S IT, there's no more. Having a pothole in a road can wait. I don't think your children should have to wait on a gov bureaucracy to authorize more money for next year. This is the same problem ALL govs have. Then factor in the falling revenues and our healthcare COULD turn into disaster for sick folks (like your kids). Please notice I said 'could', to me that's a big risk.Will answer more concerns later, busy morningps: I couldn't believe how much trouble I had spelling 'bureaucracy', it seemed so easy at first.

[drew]

Sept 18, 2009, 6:03am, ggalen wrote:Cyndy,I take it you or members of your family have not had the "pleasure" of being denied payment of a major medical bill by your private insurance company.Or being denied coverage at all. Or having your monthly premiums jacked to the sky after you got sick.There's a lot not to like about the current system when the CEO of United Healthcare gets $102,000 per hour. Talk about a waste of money that could be going to help pay medical bills...Glenn, our posts crossed.Cyndy stated she has had the 'pleasure' of being denied medical treatment "for her KIDS", what diff does it make if it's by a CEO or a gov making/spending multiple trillions a year and wasting much, if not most, of it. Members of my family have been denied by insurance companies many times, I have had to fight them on these occasions, yes, it is unfair and greedy of them, but I held their feet to the fire and WON. There is no appeal process with the gov, just ask Cyndy. The first NO is the final NO. I'd gladly pay more money to a bureaucrat than a CEO if it'll keep my family well and safe. But the b'crat will take my money anyway and still provide a predetermined budget allowance to me and my family. I don't want to be as 'satisfied' with my healthcare as Cyndy is, I'll pay for more satisfaction.

[ggalen]

So Drew,Do you think everyone has a right to healthcare? Or should some have to go without? And if so, under what circumstances should they have to go without? What would you change about the current system?I'd like to hear your thoughts on these 4 things.

[mojobone]

Like Cyndy's kids, I already have rationed healthcare; I have to go to a clinic for dental, (still have a hefty co-pay) If there are too many patients before the end of the fiscal year, they cut hours, or even shut down the clinic. Oddly, nearly all the patients on the dental side are citizens, and most of the patients on the medical side are Mexican immigrants. Don't know where I'll go, if I get sick.

[heinsite]

hey jj--listen, i never said you didn't/don't/shouldn't have an opnion--hell that is what this thread has all been about. we ALL have opinions.my comment on the string thing was because it came after what was a very serious comment, and it seemed like you were dissing the comment and trivializing it. that's all. hey tt--THAT'S a fascinating post for sure! speaks volumes on how we tend to forget some of the stuff that gets done right IMHO.wh

[drew]

Sept 18, 2009, 6:53am, ggalen wrote:So Drew,Do you think everyone has a right to healthcare? Or should some have to go without? And if so, why should they go without? What would you change about the current system?I'd like to hear your thoughts on these 4 things.Sure Glenn, I answered all questions you've asked me. But you haven't answered my responses. As mentioned above to Cyndy, after she had healthcare denied to her children, you asked if she had the "pleasure" of having payments denied. What's more important? A fight over money or a fight over care, they are not one in the same to me and many others, take care of the kids, we'll fight over money later. By your post it seems you'd rather point out that greedy money fights outweigh her ability to get her children treated, why is their care not important to you. Of course, that's a little antagonistic, I know you care, it just doesn't show in your post. That's how you keep reading posts from those that don't like the same type of reform you do.As of right now, healthcare is not a "RIGHT", however no one in this entire country is denied healthcare, just show up at an emergency room. I can get treated in the middle of the night (which I have) even if I don't have insurance (which I do). We even pay for illegal aliens to be treated in all circumstances. It is NOT DENIED TO ANYONE. And it's FREE if they can't get the money from you. Well, as free as anything the gov gives us.That should answer your first 3 questions.I've never known anyone who wouldn't like to see MAJOR changes in medical, if you say you have I'd challenge it. I would tend to think it is another misinterpretation of a logical statement.As far as changes there are so many things to recommend that it would get boring for all of us. But suffice it to say that you wouldn't hear suggestions from me that would give you obasms, I like people to be a little more self-reliant. And then it is easier for us to help the people who really need it (as we've always tried to do). And for the record, I hate insurance companies too, it's always been an expensive, evil necessity to me. But I owed it to my family to provide for them.

[billg]

In regards to the Wilson "you lie" thing, I haven't been able to understand where the republican beef was with what Obama said in his speech. This from factcheck.org explains it the way I understood it before, during, and after the speech. I though it was all pretty clear. I must be really dense and missing something because I can't believe I'm so much smarter than a lot of these people.http://factcheck.org/2009/09/immigrants-and-insurance/

[ggalen]

Well Drew,When someone says "had the "pleasure", the quotes mean it's not really a pleasure. I don't know how you could find my reply "uncaring". That kind of blew my mind when you interpreted my post that way. Did anyone else here see my reply to Cyndy as "uncaring"? Wow.Anyway...As I understand it from reading your reply, here is your position:Do you think everyone has a right to healthcare? Not answered. You did not say what you thought. You said what you think is happening today.Or should some have to go without?Not answered. You did not say what you thought. You said what you think is happening today.And if so, under what circumstances should they have to go without?Not answered. You did not say what you thought. You said what you think is happening today.What would you change about the current system?You were not specific, only to say it would be "boring" to offer your ideas.But you said that some people are not self-reliant and they look to the government for help when they should be helping themselves.

[drew]

Sept 18, 2009, 9:44am, ggalen wrote:Well Drew,When someone says "had the "pleasure", the quotes mean it's not really a pleasure. I don't know how you could find my reply "uncaring". That kind of blew my mind when you interpreted my post that way. Did anyone here see my reply to Cyndy as "uncaring"? Wow.Anyway...As I understand it from reading your reply, here is your position:Do you think everyone has a right to healthcare? Not answered. You did not say what you thought. You said what you think is happening today.Or should some have to go without?Not answered. You did not say what you thought. You said what you think is happening today.And if so, under what circumstances should they have to go without?Not answered. You did not say what you thought. You said what you think is happening today.What would you change about the current system?You were not specific, only to say it would be "boring" to offer your ideas.But you said that some people are not self-reliant and they look to the government for help when they should be helping themselves. mis-interpreted I think you should read my post again