The things we can learn from our children

[rnrmachine]

Yep. Plenty of folks think religion and science are at odds, or are somehow incompatible. Actually, they're the same thing; a serious inquiry into creation itself. And hey, some of my best friends are atheists.

I find it quite curious that God said he never began nor will end. And when we crunch the numbers in physics trying to figure out what the heck has happened to the body of a black hole... where has it gone or what the math says about it... we get infinity lol. There's other scenarios where, every time we go out of our space and time, we end up with infinity as well... very curious indeed.

[cardell]

I find it quite curious that God said he never began nor will end. And when we crunch the numbers in physics trying to figure out what the heck has happened to the body of a black hole... where has it gone or what the math says about it... we get infinity lol. There's other scenarios where, every time we go out of our space and time, we end up with infinity as well... very curious indeed.

The way I understand it: Time is part of creation.

However, in the spirit world there is no time...just being (in an infinite present) which is not on one time-line and is not absolute.

It's not as strange as it seems at first. Yesterday is only a memory and tomorrow doesn't even exist right now. We are always in an infinite present...already.

Guru Stuart

[Len911]

So is religion also what we are learning from our children??

Personally I always thought that God was science and religion was just man's misinterpretation of science.
I mean science just is, and doesn't require faith or belief.

[rnrmachine]

So is religion also what we are learning from our children??

Personally I always thought that God was science and religion was just man's misinterpretation of science.
I mean science just is, and doesn't require faith or belief.

Good thing Newton, or Copernicus, or Galileo, or Eisenstein (I know I missed a ton) didn't think that way and assume that current science "just is." They found error and corrected it. Why wouldn't religion... or the science of God.. a being that exists above our space and time be the same way? People find error and correct it.

Imho, Science you can't actually learn without faith. You have to have faith in the person teaching you. Faith is a form of trust. Good thing Einstein didn't have faith in the current religion of science BUT he had faith in himself AND faith in God. Einstein is/was a believer. In order to discover new things... you must have faith, in yourself at least, that you will be able to find the truth. If ya don't believe, or have faith that you can, you wouldn't bother. When Galileo turned that telescope of his to the sky, he had faith in what Copernicus said and faith in that telescope. If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. Also, there are plenty of what many would call "idiots" out there who don't "believe" in science lol. Not to mention, some of the things science is showing is so out there... it's beyond strange. I mean seriously,... saying there is a being and or beings that live in a higher dimension (science is saying at least 11 dimensions according to string "M theory" and "Super Gravity") is more plausible then saying there is a parallel universe for every possibility haha.... seriously.

Simple thought experiment: IF there is a universe for EVERY possible outcome... Add in, it IS a possibility that I would be aware of myself in every universe. Also whether or not I exist in the infinite number of universes. How could I exist in all, yet in none? Are they both not possibilities? We now have yet another paradox... it's possible that I can be aware of all universes yet I am not, since in quantum physics ALL things are possible how ever unlikely it's loaded with ridiculous blabber BUT that IS science!! The fact that I am not aware of it shows that is not how other universes are formed OR is it? Imho, IF they exist, they are based on something else... however, I concede that I only exist in a 3D world. Knowing things beyond this is pretty much impossible for any of us. It's been speculated that "Time" has more than one direction we just only see one dimension of it... this is how particles can appear to be in 2 places at once. Because Time actually has another direction, we can't see it because it exists outside us, outside our universe. Maybe it's the 12th dimension... hahaha DO I sound kooky? Well.. that's science. /shrug

SO... imho, science... is actually crazier then believing in God haha. Just because so many men have stained the truth with lies to gain power over his fellow man, doesn't mean it's all lies. It only means you have to sift through the lies to find the truth.. like ANY scientist. Also, every time man couldn't explain something they just chalked it up to another "Act of God" which insurance companies just love to use... rofl. Doesn't mean that because of our dumba++ ancestors couldn't figure much out, that no beings live above us.. in higher dimensions. And to close your mind to that is no different then closing your mind to science.

And yea... We can learn religion from our children. Jesus did say, you must be as of a child to enter the kingdom of heaven. I am quite confident he was referring to all the wonderful things children can remind us of. So many adults have forgotten what it's like to be a child and drop right into the "children are to be seen and not heard" syndrome. Don't tell me different, I was a child and I remember well how adults treated me.

Sorry for such a long post, but I felt it necessary to show, a true scientist don't dare dismiss religion just because it's been run by a bunch of retards for the last 5,000 years+ lol. With the occasional true follower thrown in here and there. Maybe God is God only because he can't help but be that to simple little us. Maybe it's just how things are?!

Organized religion has turned me off too... I feel EXACTLY like Bill Maher talks except ONE difference... I still believe, but without deluding myself to fictitious BS from the religious leaders of days gone by, and OR our time. I also have no problem with leaving God out of things when discussing important topics like universal health care. Or rebuilding our nations bridges, roads, etc... When it comes to that stuff, I need to have faith in our leaders that they are on top of it... because trusting in God... hasn't gotten me/us the utopia that I feel John Lennon would have loved to usher in for us IF he could have.

The first time I heard "Imagine"... I knew that was a love that God would approve of. Even IF religious leaders all over the world called it heresy. I believe it's one of God's favorite songs, because it's a love that is after his own heart!!

Wasn't it Moses who said, IF God is God, he would be the God of all men? Or was it Charlton Heston? hahahaha

[cardell]

Great post!

I learn stuff from every where, my children, science, religion, philosophy, music, my friends...'cause I'm open. I'm not afraid of new information and ideas.

However, many people are...they feel threatened, but they shouldn't: It's up to them what they believe, they still have the choice.

Stuart